Oh, excuse me, not tanks, it’s mine-resistant vehicles, like the ones purchased by Tarrant County, TX. Or the Richland County, SC tracked armored personnel carrier (retired, thank goodness).
Do police never have to worry about bombs and IEDs? Or someone trying to ram them off the road or barricade their route?
AMRAPs and APCs are not tanks. They serve entirely different purposes.
Now tell me again how you don't want to hurt officer's wages so I can point out the departments that have been defunded (shut down), have cut officer's pay and jobs, or are sacrificing critical life preserving equipment, training, and other resources.
Alternatively you could stop being dishonest.
I'd wager cops actually need more funding so they can hire better quality people, more of them, and to be provided better quality training, perhaps even with special classes specializing in psychology etc if they don't have them.
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At the end of the day they can never be trained enough for every situation they'll encounter, and will always be blamed for that. .
But if the choice is between a cop occasionally buying vehicles people don't approve of - or people literally beating peoples' heads in against a curb with no help coming, and twerking on the corpses of the dying and dead.... I know which option I prefer
I mean, I haven't really seen anyone so far be able to actually put in a valid defence for defunding the police.
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Like, okay, you defund them.
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Now you have less cops. Less equipment. Less training.
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This results in:
-More "no man's lands" where crime has a higher opportunity to spike
-Longer wait times for cops to answer 911 calls -- and no one has been able to explain to me in a way that makes sense why that would be a good thing
-less access to the latest technology or properly maintained equipment, which by nature leads to it being more likely that injuries and deaths will occur
-less access to proper training, which means MORE cops NOT less would be likely to use incorrect restraining techniques, resort to violence or aggression, etc
-less access to counselling for cops that suffer from PTSD after dealing day after day after day with calls that involve things like broken eye sockets, parents prostituting their children, false swattings, drug overdoses, rape, murder, animal abuse, pedophilia, "McDonald's doesn't serve chicken nuggets at breakfast," hit and runs, drunk drivers..
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I'm not sure what kind of a world people are hoping will come out of all this, but it sounds like a highly unlivable one
just to add, from the anecdotal cherokee tribal perspective, reasoning for why our equivalent of the police have a couple armored vehicles
1. they are used in the "joint drug task force" to keep our guys safe when dealing with such variety of organized crime, having something designed to actually take a bullet rather than be fast in a chase or efficient on patrol is necessary. Right tool for the right job, specifically the kind of job that the assisting paramedics are required to maintain at least as much firearm and self defense training as our marshals to be allowed to sign up for.
2. the thing they are used for most in any given year is search and rescue during flash flood events. An extremely heavy, sealed, tall wheeled in a relatively compact spacial profile is perfect for it, and they'll see more hours of that sorta usage than anything else.
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"Libbie" here. What I don't get is why it's so hard for trumpers to realize is that defunding the police is a 2 prong approach.
1. Legit actually defund the police so you have less guys that get their kicks by asserting dominance over the people they're supposed to protect.
2. Move that funding to train up people who are specifically not cops that can deal with people who have mental health issues and fund other social services.
You can't tell me that the policing system doesn't need any reform when it took my sister nearly 50% longer in training to become a hairstylist than it does for someone to become a cop
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"Libbie" here. What I don't get is why it's so hard for trumpers to realize is that defunding the police is a 2 prong approach.
1. Legit actually defund the police so you have less guys that get their kicks by asserting dominance over the people they're supposed to protect.
2. Move that funding to train up people who are specifically not cops that can deal with people who have mental health issues and fund other social services.
You can't tell me that the policing system doesn't need any reform when it took my sister nearly 50% longer in training to become a hairstylist than it does for someone to become a cop
Nevermind that it clearly isn't a two-pronged approach. Some cities outright abolished the departments, many others are just cutting pay and officers, cutting training, and getting rid of batons, tazers, and range days, and more still are being crucified and demonized for actually serving and protecting people, just because the crazy bitch he had to shoot mid-stab happened to be black.
Try again. With a bit more honesty, please.
Hows this for a scenario:
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Two males, one black, one white, rob a store, take the same amount of money, at the same time, etc.
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The judge sentences the white guy to what 5 years in jail. People say "oh fair punishment"
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The same judge sentences the black guy to 5 years in jail. Guess what? That's considered racist. Good job society.
Me: *literally can't stand trump* Guess I'm a Trumpette now since someone got offended on the internet <.<
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1. People will literally ALWAYS get their kicks over "asserting dominance." This is why proper training is NECESSARY - to make certain it is very clear what is and isn't allowed, and make it more difficult for sadist to get into the profession.
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Be that as it may - the excruciatingly vast majority of cops are not psychopaths desperate to assert dominance. They're just people who want to serve the country they live in so they don't have to worry about a rogue lunatic desperate to assert dominance raping and killing their sons and daughters.
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Not to mention the lack of cops isn't going to just... make people attracted to abuse and power disappear. They'll simply join gangs, which will likely become the ruling factions since the cops won't be able to keep up with them
2. Training people who are specifically not cops to do what, exactly? And IN what, exactly? It can take over 8 years to become a psychologist. And then what?
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You can't send a psychologist into a scene where threat of life is always present. Or, at least, not alone. You can't send a random citizen into that situation either. It's insanely dangerous, and people won't recognize their authority. They BARELY recognize the authority of cops.
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Additionally it is often not immediately apparent mental disturbance is the issue. A cop may pull someone over for speeding and the next thing that person takes off and runs over three people.
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A cop may answer a call for a drug bust and be confronted with a devil worshipper strung out on meth, attacking the cops with a knife, and with 6 children they've been raping in their basement.
Not to mention more drugs, more illegal firearms, less S.W.A.T. raids against things that need to be raided, but I guess since someone got offended oon the internet we can't have that. What a shame.
What profession is it you think we should be funding to send out to deal with the wife that just cut her own daughter up to frame her husband as an abuser?
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Who should we be sending to try and hunt down the 3 year old that just disappeared from the mall? The call that there are screams coming from the neighbour's apartment? That someone is driving the wrong way up the road? That someone just nailed a cat to a telephone pole? That there's meth being cooked in the garage next door?
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Whoever answers that call has to:
1. Be prepared to die
2. Be prepared to use physical restraint
3. Be prepared to kill if necessary
4. Be prepared to deal with literally whatever is behind door number three
5. Be prepared to be spit on, and jabbed with used needles, scratched, bitten, and shot, and stabbed, and punched. And then be told they get too much money to do that. Be crucified in the media anytime they make a mistake.
@memesgobrr I will never not find it hopelessly bizarre that people want to desperately to assume not calling for the crucifixion of police means you support a specific politician
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It's just some weird bandwagon that people want to jump on, but never seem to have thought all the way through. The media has done such a fantastic job demonizing the few, it's made it easy for people to forget how much we actually depend on the many. And how it's NOT as black and white as most people would demand we believe
If you look past what all the twitter bitches say, the vast majority of cops, as you said, are nice people who really want to help make a difference, compare the cops to the military and nobody is saying "defund the army because a drone strike killed a civilian," no they say "oh just a mistake (which it was) no big deal, one cop commits a hate crime and all of sudden "all cops are bad" and "defund the police"
I mean, if we're talking about Floyd, as far as I know there was no evidence it was a hate crime. A crime, yes, but not premeditated or based on race as far as anyone's been able to prove
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People are so desperate to find a soap box to set fire to, they rarely seem to stop to determine if the ground they're standing on is worth defending
All Cops are Ballers
AMRAPs and APCs are not tanks. They serve entirely different purposes.
Now tell me again how you don't want to hurt officer's wages so I can point out the departments that have been defunded (shut down), have cut officer's pay and jobs, or are sacrificing critical life preserving equipment, training, and other resources.
Alternatively you could stop being dishonest.
.
At the end of the day they can never be trained enough for every situation they'll encounter, and will always be blamed for that. .
But if the choice is between a cop occasionally buying vehicles people don't approve of - or people literally beating peoples' heads in against a curb with no help coming, and twerking on the corpses of the dying and dead.... I know which option I prefer
.
Like, okay, you defund them.
.
Now you have less cops. Less equipment. Less training.
.
This results in:
-More "no man's lands" where crime has a higher opportunity to spike
-Longer wait times for cops to answer 911 calls -- and no one has been able to explain to me in a way that makes sense why that would be a good thing
-less access to the latest technology or properly maintained equipment, which by nature leads to it being more likely that injuries and deaths will occur
-less access to proper training, which means MORE cops NOT less would be likely to use incorrect restraining techniques, resort to violence or aggression, etc
.
I'm not sure what kind of a world people are hoping will come out of all this, but it sounds like a highly unlivable one
1. they are used in the "joint drug task force" to keep our guys safe when dealing with such variety of organized crime, having something designed to actually take a bullet rather than be fast in a chase or efficient on patrol is necessary. Right tool for the right job, specifically the kind of job that the assisting paramedics are required to maintain at least as much firearm and self defense training as our marshals to be allowed to sign up for.
2. the thing they are used for most in any given year is search and rescue during flash flood events. An extremely heavy, sealed, tall wheeled in a relatively compact spacial profile is perfect for it, and they'll see more hours of that sorta usage than anything else.
1. Legit actually defund the police so you have less guys that get their kicks by asserting dominance over the people they're supposed to protect.
2. Move that funding to train up people who are specifically not cops that can deal with people who have mental health issues and fund other social services.
You can't tell me that the policing system doesn't need any reform when it took my sister nearly 50% longer in training to become a hairstylist than it does for someone to become a cop
1. Legit actually defund the police so you have less guys that get their kicks by asserting dominance over the people they're supposed to protect.
2. Move that funding to train up people who are specifically not cops that can deal with people who have mental health issues and fund other social services.
You can't tell me that the policing system doesn't need any reform when it took my sister nearly 50% longer in training to become a hairstylist than it does for someone to become a cop
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No political views for me just what i honestly think
Try again. With a bit more honesty, please.
.
Two males, one black, one white, rob a store, take the same amount of money, at the same time, etc.
.
The judge sentences the white guy to what 5 years in jail. People say "oh fair punishment"
.
The same judge sentences the black guy to 5 years in jail. Guess what? That's considered racist. Good job society.
.
1. People will literally ALWAYS get their kicks over "asserting dominance." This is why proper training is NECESSARY - to make certain it is very clear what is and isn't allowed, and make it more difficult for sadist to get into the profession.
.
Be that as it may - the excruciatingly vast majority of cops are not psychopaths desperate to assert dominance. They're just people who want to serve the country they live in so they don't have to worry about a rogue lunatic desperate to assert dominance raping and killing their sons and daughters.
.
Not to mention the lack of cops isn't going to just... make people attracted to abuse and power disappear. They'll simply join gangs, which will likely become the ruling factions since the cops won't be able to keep up with them
.
You can't send a psychologist into a scene where threat of life is always present. Or, at least, not alone. You can't send a random citizen into that situation either. It's insanely dangerous, and people won't recognize their authority. They BARELY recognize the authority of cops.
.
Additionally it is often not immediately apparent mental disturbance is the issue. A cop may pull someone over for speeding and the next thing that person takes off and runs over three people.
.
A cop may answer a call for a drug bust and be confronted with a devil worshipper strung out on meth, attacking the cops with a knife, and with 6 children they've been raping in their basement.
.
Who should we be sending to try and hunt down the 3 year old that just disappeared from the mall? The call that there are screams coming from the neighbour's apartment? That someone is driving the wrong way up the road? That someone just nailed a cat to a telephone pole? That there's meth being cooked in the garage next door?
.
Whoever answers that call has to:
1. Be prepared to die
2. Be prepared to use physical restraint
3. Be prepared to kill if necessary
4. Be prepared to deal with literally whatever is behind door number three
5. Be prepared to be spit on, and jabbed with used needles, scratched, bitten, and shot, and stabbed, and punched. And then be told they get too much money to do that. Be crucified in the media anytime they make a mistake.
.
It's just some weird bandwagon that people want to jump on, but never seem to have thought all the way through. The media has done such a fantastic job demonizing the few, it's made it easy for people to forget how much we actually depend on the many. And how it's NOT as black and white as most people would demand we believe
.
People are so desperate to find a soap box to set fire to, they rarely seem to stop to determine if the ground they're standing on is worth defending
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And soap box? Try gasoline tanker