It’s a shame. I bet it would be a really productive conversation too. I see JT handing out pamphlets and scientific studies on covid and giving a rousing speech that causes all the truckers to turn around and head as a convoy to the nearest vaccine center.
Or..
A historical moment for freedom, when JT is moved by the in depth scientific evidence and Everyman pleas for a free nation. Photographers gather round to catch as he signs into law a ruling that no one in Canada may ask about your vaccination status, set against the beautiful velour interior of a bulldog tractor with him and the convoy leader in the frame and white power flags hanging proudly next to the Canadian flag and SS uniform hung from the canopy behind them…
Nah. I doubt those scenarios. I think… high ranking politicians coming to the table legitimize movements, and knowing there isn’t likely a productive end to the discussion, the only thing it would do would be to feed the resolve and bring more press
To be PERFECTLY clear- not everyone involved in the convoy is about white power. Not everyone there has an ulterior motive rooted in white power. Not everyone there holds white power views.
The leader does, and every single hate group monitored by the Canadian Anti Hate Network has someone in the convoy from their ranks,
Plus a few more off that list.
I’m not saying that makes the convoy a hate group. I’m am saying that people who called out BLM for having communist leaders and said that tainted the whole movement are highly suspect if they now see basically a neo nazi leading an activist group and are like: “but no guys, the leader doesn’t matter…”
But I mean… if you want to talk to the PM… maybe leave the Nazis at home? Because the optics of sitting down with Nazis is bad enough- let alone capitulating to them. It doesn’t matter if your protest is to save a puppy from a well- once the swastikas fly you’re behind the 8 ball.
"I'm not saying this, but I'm saying this. I'm not saying this, I'm just using a whole bunch of words, that mean this. I'm not calling you nazis, you nazis, because I don't want to hurt your nazi feelings. I'm not gonna talk about anything to do with the actual issue, I'm just hopping on the narrative put out by the guy who suspended elections and is defying his nation's human rights charter that anybody who disagrees is a nazi. And you all disagree, so... I'm not saying but I'm saying. Also, I'm gonna play dumb about what the protest is over, and reduce your stance to absurdity. And ya'll are on the side of nazis, I'm not saying but I'm saying"
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You are the one reducing things to absurdity and I was very clear that I am not saying all these people are Nazis. If you read that as sarcastic, it was not. The context clue is the next part where I specifically said what I WAS saying. Otherwise I would have said “I’m not saying” to both statements.
Disagreeing doesn’t make a person a Nazi. That’s your conclusion, not mine.
Nothing I said implies that.
Nothing I said was false either, and nothing in your rebuttal contested any facts presented. The leader of the convoy has hate symbols in his truck and is or was a member of hate groups etc.
For someone who supposedly hates hypocrisy to come in and accuse another of absurdity with the reply you made is a bit hypocritical isn’t it?
"You are the one doing the things I actually did. Now I'm gonna double down and insist you provide sources to refute my claims (that I repeat I'm not actually claiming) that I got from approved propaganda networks to legitimately smear and delegitimitize the biggest working class uprising against tyranny the western world has ever seen"
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"To be perfectly clear not everyone involved in the convoy is about white power"
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A light breeze would move enough dirt to uncover THAT. The VAST majority-- as in 99.99% have nothing to do with white supremacy. The fact that people keep repeating THAT fucking lie is proof how well Trudeau's propaganda campaign has worked and how mindless society has become.
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And you have no idea who the leader of the convoy is. Most of the truckers/cowboys I've seen have no "leader." They are not lead. They agree on times and places. They look out for one another. And They are in agreement about what they will do insofar as: they will not be moving until the have faith that their freedoms are intact; they will not cause violence and will deter people who attempt to do so.
And honestly? I don't give much of a fuck what opinion anyone has on race in this matter. Parts of our cities were ravaged and destroyed irreversibly in the name of Black supremacy for months. Churches were burned to the ground with nary a peep from our fearless leader over UNVERIFIED claims of mass graves.
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Those people were OPEN in their racism and applauded for it.
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If the leader of the convoy thinks white people do be the best, they're a damn moron. So long as they don't get confused into thinking they can use the truckers - the goddamn citizens of Canada everyone has been so happy to label terrorists and racists and misogynists for daring to stand up to the Cosplay Minister Justin Trudeau - to push that narrative, then I fail to see how it makes a difference other than to distract from what's actually happening.
I don’t know what famousone is saying- so I can’t reply. Drinking and typing perhaps? Not sure.
I also am not sure how protests and riots against police brutality- especially against people of color, following the murder of a law abiding black woman asleep in her bed, in her own home, who had committed no crimes and had no evidence of crime or a criminal record; and the daylight police murder of a man accused of a pretty non violent offense, constitute “black supremacy”?
The counter argument “well- they rioted for black supremacy” you saying that you support white supremacy?
"The counter argument “well- they rioted for black supremacy” you saying that you support white supremacy?"
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Disingenuous misrepresentation at its finest. Just like half the other drivel you pump out at such alarming speeds.
C'mon guest. You know who Floyd was. Blake, too.
You saw the domestic terror, racial and political violence, cities burning, people being murdered in the streets, criminals being glorified and covered for by politicians, and territory being claimed away from the United States by violent mobs. You saw them demand our representatives and the common people kneel for them. Demand whites leave their own homes. Demand everyone's livelihoods and reverence while they burned and beat and killed to the sound of politicians abandoning their people and cheering on or outright calling for more violence.
Brownshirts wearing black masks, men being killed in the street for "Looking like a Trumper", mentally handicapped men being tortured on livestream, black men murdered in front of their own shops for having the audacity to not want to watch their lives burn for "racial justice".
I'm sure you have excuses for all this ready, Or maybe you'll ignore it. But we remember. And we will not let you forget.
Not ignoring. Was at the race track for an event. No time for reading.
We can go round and round. You can call out the mentally handicapped that are this or that and I can point the the mentally handicapped man complying with police and shot while laying on his back with his hands in the air or any number of things. I can do what I do often do and fact check claims and add context and then get called condescending or having the discussion pulled another direction.
So much if what is said here like “demanding whites leave their own homes” and “kneel” and “domestic terrorism” etc. is all subjective.
Now that the convoy are officially criminals and terrorists- have you aligned your stance on them to their status as criminals and terrorists? Are you saying it is now right that they be stopped by police? Or is it that only applies to who YOU consider criminals or terrorists? Do their past deeds and records justify it if the police started murdering them?
This stuff is more complex than “good guys and bad guys” and when drawing lines for “sides” you’ll find that neither “side” are all saints or sinners, or even that they all agree or are fighting the same battles.
As to @xvarnah- I can’t seem to find the exact phrasing I was looking at, I may be missing it as I am still quite tired, or it may be due to the edits you have since made to your comments. I can’t say and don’t care to speculate- but since for one reason or another I don’t seem to be finding what I was referring to, all I can say is that at the time and with what was posted- I don’t think it was anything but a reasonable question. It may not have been- I can’t cite the original text I was replying to- so it could go either way.
None of what I said is subjective. It all happened. It is thoroughly documented, recorded, just because you don't see it on CNN doesn't mean shit.
And no, that Trudeau is calling actual peaceful protesters criminals and terrorists is not a smear on them, but further evidence of his own tyranny. Especially with his established history of kneeling for violent extremists and attacking the civil and human rights of protesters who just so happen to be standing in the way of his totalitarianism.
Unlike your martyrs, those protesters are actually standing up for liberty and justice. And they don't need to burn down cities, kill dozens, or commit insurrection under the cover of "racial justice" in response to rapists getting shot while trying to abduct children.
Or..
A historical moment for freedom, when JT is moved by the in depth scientific evidence and Everyman pleas for a free nation. Photographers gather round to catch as he signs into law a ruling that no one in Canada may ask about your vaccination status, set against the beautiful velour interior of a bulldog tractor with him and the convoy leader in the frame and white power flags hanging proudly next to the Canadian flag and SS uniform hung from the canopy behind them…
Nah. I doubt those scenarios. I think… high ranking politicians coming to the table legitimize movements, and knowing there isn’t likely a productive end to the discussion, the only thing it would do would be to feed the resolve and bring more press
The leader does, and every single hate group monitored by the Canadian Anti Hate Network has someone in the convoy from their ranks,
Plus a few more off that list.
I’m not saying that makes the convoy a hate group. I’m am saying that people who called out BLM for having communist leaders and said that tainted the whole movement are highly suspect if they now see basically a neo nazi leading an activist group and are like: “but no guys, the leader doesn’t matter…”
But I mean… if you want to talk to the PM… maybe leave the Nazis at home? Because the optics of sitting down with Nazis is bad enough- let alone capitulating to them. It doesn’t matter if your protest is to save a puppy from a well- once the swastikas fly you’re behind the 8 ball.
Lol
HOOOOOONNNK
Disagreeing doesn’t make a person a Nazi. That’s your conclusion, not mine.
Nothing I said implies that.
Nothing I said was false either, and nothing in your rebuttal contested any facts presented. The leader of the convoy has hate symbols in his truck and is or was a member of hate groups etc.
For someone who supposedly hates hypocrisy to come in and accuse another of absurdity with the reply you made is a bit hypocritical isn’t it?
Ship horn goes:
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A light breeze would move enough dirt to uncover THAT. The VAST majority-- as in 99.99% have nothing to do with white supremacy. The fact that people keep repeating THAT fucking lie is proof how well Trudeau's propaganda campaign has worked and how mindless society has become.
.
And you have no idea who the leader of the convoy is. Most of the truckers/cowboys I've seen have no "leader." They are not lead. They agree on times and places. They look out for one another. And They are in agreement about what they will do insofar as: they will not be moving until the have faith that their freedoms are intact; they will not cause violence and will deter people who attempt to do so.
.
Those people were OPEN in their racism and applauded for it.
.
If the leader of the convoy thinks white people do be the best, they're a damn moron. So long as they don't get confused into thinking they can use the truckers - the goddamn citizens of Canada everyone has been so happy to label terrorists and racists and misogynists for daring to stand up to the Cosplay Minister Justin Trudeau - to push that narrative, then I fail to see how it makes a difference other than to distract from what's actually happening.
I also am not sure how protests and riots against police brutality- especially against people of color, following the murder of a law abiding black woman asleep in her bed, in her own home, who had committed no crimes and had no evidence of crime or a criminal record; and the daylight police murder of a man accused of a pretty non violent offense, constitute “black supremacy”?
The counter argument “well- they rioted for black supremacy” you saying that you support white supremacy?
.
Disingenuous misrepresentation at its finest. Just like half the other drivel you pump out at such alarming speeds.
You saw the domestic terror, racial and political violence, cities burning, people being murdered in the streets, criminals being glorified and covered for by politicians, and territory being claimed away from the United States by violent mobs. You saw them demand our representatives and the common people kneel for them. Demand whites leave their own homes. Demand everyone's livelihoods and reverence while they burned and beat and killed to the sound of politicians abandoning their people and cheering on or outright calling for more violence.
Brownshirts wearing black masks, men being killed in the street for "Looking like a Trumper", mentally handicapped men being tortured on livestream, black men murdered in front of their own shops for having the audacity to not want to watch their lives burn for "racial justice".
I'm sure you have excuses for all this ready, Or maybe you'll ignore it. But we remember. And we will not let you forget.
We can go round and round. You can call out the mentally handicapped that are this or that and I can point the the mentally handicapped man complying with police and shot while laying on his back with his hands in the air or any number of things. I can do what I do often do and fact check claims and add context and then get called condescending or having the discussion pulled another direction.
So much if what is said here like “demanding whites leave their own homes” and “kneel” and “domestic terrorism” etc. is all subjective.
Now that the convoy are officially criminals and terrorists- have you aligned your stance on them to their status as criminals and terrorists? Are you saying it is now right that they be stopped by police? Or is it that only applies to who YOU consider criminals or terrorists? Do their past deeds and records justify it if the police started murdering them?
And no, that Trudeau is calling actual peaceful protesters criminals and terrorists is not a smear on them, but further evidence of his own tyranny. Especially with his established history of kneeling for violent extremists and attacking the civil and human rights of protesters who just so happen to be standing in the way of his totalitarianism.
Unlike your martyrs, those protesters are actually standing up for liberty and justice. And they don't need to burn down cities, kill dozens, or commit insurrection under the cover of "racial justice" in response to rapists getting shot while trying to abduct children.
Karma bites back too fast eh ?