But you don't understand. Those are obviously fake statistics propagated by fake news networks. And anyone who disagrees is most certainly an authoritarian shill who hates freedom.
Is that *actually* how the survey was phrased? Who was contacted? Where? Under what conditions? Was this while the Canadian government had banks shut down the accounts of supporters or Trudeau was using state media to paint them as nazis?
Lies, damned lies, and... well. You know.
The answer to all those questions is just a click away using the link I already provided. Will you take the honest route and go learn that it’s a valid survey or will you continue the dishonest strategy of “just asking questions” in an attempt to muddy the argument so you don’t have to admit you are wrong?
Conducted over two days, largely including Americans, as a matter of fact from the days when state media was finding their stride in the smear campaign, and absolutely ignoring how hostile people are to pollsters and legacy media.
Glad we could establish that.
And Mercury was in retrograde and the Rams were in the Super Bowl and whatever other irrelevant narrative you cook up does not affect the fact this was a scientifically valid survey of Canadian’s opinions. You must have missed the part where the Americans were only surveyed for contrast.
Okay let's see. I'm gonna block and confiscate your bank accounts, doxx you as a nazi, and list you as an enemy of the state if I don't like the answer. Yes or no, do you support me?
We were talking about the prevailing opinions on a protest and you tried to switch it to your narrative about the government when you couldn’t deny the data.
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Classic cognitive dissonance.
"when state media was finding their stride in the smear campaign, and absolutely ignoring how hostile people are to pollsters and legacy media."
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This is actually an important point a lot of non-canadians (and even Canadians) don't realize. Most of the mainstream media in Canada is bankrolled by the liberal government currently. Some of the largest trucking companies are also bankrolled by the liberal government.
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Near the beginning some of these trucking organizations tried to claim they spoke for all truckers and disavowed the actions of the others. And then people looked into it and these organizations had literally been making tons of donations to the liberal government.
When Trudeau has been confronted by news agencies he disagrees with he:
-sends RCMP officers to intimidate them
-tries to bar them from press conferences
-when a judge rules he can't do that, Trudeau will then ignore the news agency and walk out in the middle of their questions.
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Someone who looks shockingly like Trudeau's personal photographer was also scene standing literally right beside one of the only Confederate flags at the protest. Not photographing them. Standing with them as they move.
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But this flag has been used in Trudeau's campaign to smear the protestors as white supremacists. And people believe it.
One disrespecteful POS danced on the tomb of the unknown soldier day 1 of the protest.
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The media covered it for days. Trudeau erected fences around the war memorials in response.
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They got torn down, which was also touted in our media as horrific in the beginning.
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Thing was, they were torn down by Veterans of the Canadian Military. Who, along with other protestors, proceeded to lay flowers along the memorial, pray, sing our national anthem, and clear away the ice that had gathered due to Trudeau's incompetence.
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For comparison: when BLM toppled statues of John a MacDonald (the founder of Canada), when they burned churches, when they threw paint on memorials during other "peaceful" protests... Trudeau and the media were barely inclined to mention let alone condemn it to anywhere near the degree of these protestors
The media is bias enough that our Veterans will refuse to speak to them at this stage because of how horrifically they have smeared and misrepresented them.
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Trudeau labeled the truckers violent and yet as of yet I haven't seen any recorded acts of violence from them. Anytime a "protestor" shows up with a ski mask or a Nazi flag they are told to leave.
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Yet at least two protestors have been hit by vehicles and that is not considered violence by Trudeau.
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Anti-protestors are carrying communist flags and waving them proudly. Not all of them, but far more than the nazi or Confederate flags in the truckers.
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Perhaps I missed it but there hasn't seemed to be a peep from Trudeau about this.
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And to exacerbate the issue - Canada has an aging population. A great many of them still trust MSM and don't know where to get alternative info to get even anything close to the other side of the story.
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So the propagandist tactics are working. And do have an impact.
Same playbook every time. “I get to add any scope I want or you are gaslighting” or “Your proven methodology is invalid unless it comes to the conclusion I want” or “Everybody is in on the propaganda conspiracy except me”. Next will be “the reason I can’t provide evidence is because it’s being censored”.
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Reactionaries are so clueless to how dumb their arguments are.
What?
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I addressed factors of the climate of the country in which the survey took place. Which is actually pretty relevant.
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If you survey 1500 people in China right now and they all say they support the CCP party, is it not relevant that the CCP will disappear people who don't repeat that mantra?
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If you survey journalists in Russia and they all say Putin is the best leader ever, is it not relevant that there is a track record of journalists being killed by Putin for disagreeing?
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If a survey is taken of 1500 people and every one of them says Biden is a moron, would it not be relevant if the only news they had access to is Tucker Carlson?
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Once again I never stated the people of Canada may actually feel as the poll reflects. Merely reasons why it can also be considered highly flawed as a stand-alone.
No, varnah. Only legacy and state approved resources are reliable for measuring what people think. You're just a reactionary with cognitive dissonance trying to throw mud on mostly peaceful protests while defending actual terrorists and nazis who refuse to even talk to reliable reporters who always say what the state wants.
Sticky wicket. Ignoring all the talk that is somewhat off topic to the statistics for now- the source of the pool is important. Of course- over 85% of Canadians live in less than half the provinces- with over a quarter of the population living in 2 cities. So we don’t actually need a very diverse geographic sampling to get a reasonable idea of how the majority of Canadians by the numbers feel on any issue so long as within those most populous regions we have a good representation of what most people think and the clear majority of people in those areas agree.
That wouldn’t give an accurate voicing to all Canadian citizens or their views- but it would tell us by majority what the trends are likely to be for what “most” feel on an issue. Of course I agree that one study or poll isn’t enough to definitively say that most Canadians feel a certain way- we could say “most polled feel XYZ way” and allow the reader to draw their own conclusions. It also is important to note that “most”….
… is a sticky wicket too. It’s common for democracies to use various systems to offset where large populations who will tend to share views overwhelm smaller populations who will tend to different views. As an example- by the number of voters US states like California, Texas, and New York could essentially override any decision made even if almost or all other states voted against them. The concept of “weighting votes” is contentious- depending on circumstances- it isn’t really fair to discount the opinions of a United minority but it also is a bit unfair that an issue where the majority agrees can be overturned for the benefit of a small few.
Regardless- the data should be framed differently- as indicated and not as fact, or fact within constraints and not reduced to absolutes.
As for the rest- I’ll bite at the distraction and just say- I don’t know that the Canadian people have as restrictive a media and government as Russia or China. Perhaps I am slow on news from the north, but I’m not sure how many who speak against the PM have been poisoned or locked in gulags where they mysteriously die or just disappeared all together.
It’s also a bit extreme to label enterprise as “state media” where the state doesn’t have ownership and explicit control. Politicians tend to own and run media and enterprise and moguls tend to be involved in lobbying and politics in capitalism. The lines between state and private are blurred, with entire industries or companies only existing by government contract or literal subsidy and “bail outs.”
Facebook is a private media company, but it is also one which many have actually called for MORE state control because they feel the biases of that company favor views opposing their own. That is one example- there are many more of course. It gets down to splitting hairs, but in the end no poll or even vote is perfect. The majority of Americans elected Hillary Clinton but the majority of elites chose another president. The majority of Americans elected Joe Biden. These are stats that have been questioned and checked and rechecked and proven again and again- but people still question them or say they are invalid for XYZ reason. The sources matter but in this world where most don’t try to average information from different sources but just choose the source they like… not much can be done to prove anything. We can show the world isn’t flat and yet a whole lot of people argue it is. We can show a vaccine cutting deaths and people will argue it isn’t.
Wether the poll is right or wrong, it seems that things will be wrapping up with this whole business most likely, so it becomes something historians can argue over later.
With 6 years or so behind JT as the PM- we shall see how long he serves after this. That should be a pretty good although also imperfect indication of which way the people of Canada feel. He can always be dismissed if this poll is wrong- and if he keeps his office another so many years… maybe Canada on the whole feels he’s not doing the worst job.
"I don’t know that the Canadian people have as restrictive a media and government as Russia or China. Perhaps I am slow on news from the north, but I’m not sure how many who speak against the PM have been poisoned or locked in gulags where they mysteriously die or just disappeared all together."
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A rather disingenuous representation since I never said they were the same. I actually didn't even remotely imply they were the same. I said context matters.
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....to some of us, at any rate.
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But that has proven a fairly good example of the way Canadian media operates.
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A person says something. The media takes it, twists it, and blows it into an out of proportion diatribe until it only resembles what was actually said well enough to confuse anyone not paying attention.
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Thanks for your help on that front at least
"Wether the poll is right or wrong, it seems that things will be wrapping up with this whole business most likely, so it becomes something historians can argue over later."
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Spoken like somebody not facing the collapse of the rights in their country.
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Well done again lol
I mean- xvarnah- you are guilty of your own accusations. I never said that you had said Canada was as repressive as those governments- in reference to your comments on China and Russia in regards to context- I pointed out that I personally don’t think Canada is as bad off- so as far as context goes…… there you have it.
Also- we frequently debate issues which it is often you, who are arguing an opposing point under the flag of the dangers to freedom in my country. We have had numerous discussions on US politics and culture over the years and recently. So as far as “spoken like somebody not facing the collapse of the rights in their country…” according to your view points… I am a person facing the collapse of rights in my country- and I have much the same stance concerning my own country. One way or another all this is wrapping up more or less.
Your comments about being spoken by a foreigner to your country are also a tad ignorant or dismissive in my view. Much the same as Canadians have opinions about America, and matters that occur in America can impact Canadians- the opposite is true. We are neighbors after all. It’s also presumptuous to assume that an American citizen or resident can’t be a Canadian ex patriot, citizen, or have other ties to Canada in business or personal life. People can have family or other ties as well, work abroad, etc. I rightly don’t get a vote in Canadian politics, but I am entitled to my opinions just as you have frequently expressed yours on matters like American civil rights, crime, and even our presidents.
@guest_ What’s the point? They make themselves out like victims, deny anything that doesn’t fit their narrative, downvote you and just continue their confirmation bias circle jerk. Seems to be the same thing on most sites nowadays.
@scatmandingo speaking of circle jerks.
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My response to your meme was literally "you may be right, but I disagree with the methodology, as well as your format. Here is why I disagree and would require more information. Please correct me if I'm wrong."
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But, please..... Tell me more about how little of a victim you are while you show me where on the doll the downvotes touched you
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Let's clarify, which seems to be a necessity every time you make a comment:
I never said you're not entitled to your opinion. I said your opinion is ignorant and disingenuous. You are absolutely entitled to it.
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I also never said foreigners aren't allowed to have an opinion on the matter - yourself included. That would be retarded. I said you speak like someone who has nothing actually vested in this outcome, and someone who hasn't bothered actually living or researching the issues - let alone the country - you speak of.
@xvarnah When you clog the chat about Valentines Day with your cry me a river bullshit about how oppressed you are individually and tell the userbase here to get used to the fact that you will be monopolizing the topic on this site I see you as a pearl clutching echo chamber troglodyte. The format thing was a cheap attack on a point made by you and your two buddies, and the methodology is sound, executed by professionals, and valid. Anything else is you whining about being a vocal minority convinced you are the silent majority.
Scat I think your first error here is I never refuted or accepted you labelling me a victim. I genuinely don't care how you view me.
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Your representation of the Valentine chat is.... Sounding a lot like projection at best, tbh. They asked how the day went and I answered. When they said they didn't want that kind of answer I backed out immediately and tried to divert the conversation back toward what the poster themselves had said. I'm not even in the chat anymore - I won't be there unless someone tags me. The only one whining about it is... you?
The monopolization thing is a misrepresentation of what I intended with that comment. I have not monopolized the posts or comments. My own posting has featured more Canadian content than it normally would which is what I meant with that. Weirdly what goes on in my country effects me.
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But I have still been regularly posting content on various subjects - today's topic is accidentally blood.
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I guess I have regularly posted like 5 cat memes in a row though... fuck maybe I do monopolize content after all
The format thing was an honest opinion.
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I genuinely have no issue with you posting your stat thing, but I do wish it had been at least slightly meme-like. It's not a big issue since it's mostly a one-off which is why I mentioned it in passing. You could just as easily have posted your chart in the reply to my own post if you just wanted to argue statistics.
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"Anything else is you whining about being a vocal minority convinced you are the silent majority."
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And again, for the fourth time:
As I said before: the poll may, in fact, prove to be in line with what the majority of Canadian's feel.
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Now... are the silent majority in the room right you right now?
@scatmandingo- I guess it is at least educational to me. Like- in this comment string alone I got to be informed twice that I had accused xvarnah of saying things that- as many times as I read my own words…. I don’t see myself saying she had said…. Somehow- when I speak my opinion, I am insinuating my opinion is something she said? I’m still learning.
@xvarnah- and where did I say you said any of what you seem to think I attributed to you? I said that for the reasons I listed, your comments about the words of a person who’s county wasn’t facing the collapse of their rights seemed to miss the mark, and based on your own recent past opinions that my country was in fact in danger concerning our rights.
You call me “disingenuous” which… to be frank you use that word often and each time I’m confused as to how it applies or what in your mind determines when someone has a genuine opinion… and even more frank- while I’ll skip any flippant remarks about investing in a word a day calendar (it would probably come off as mean and not as a joke), I will say that what was the purpose of your remark about “person.. country..facing..rights” other than to discredit or quiet my voice?
As far as my research of the country… I mean… Canada isn’t my major but I produced accurate facts on the government and population distribution to demonstrate some level of research or knowledge. I already acknowledged I am not Canadian and rightfully can’t vote about Canada. I don’t pretend to be a “native son” or an expert on Canada.
But then again- you attempt to discredit and silence in the same reply stating I may have an opinion- you more or less say my opinion is invalid because I don’t meet your criteria as having Canadian street cred. You have your unsolicited opinion on a public forum and I didn’t try to discredit you as a person or invalidate your opinions. I don’t need to, what comes next will speak for me. As I said- this will either be over soon or Canadians will rise up together against tyranny if that’s their perspective and prerogative.
I do not have a direct personal stake in what happens in Canada. I don’t even have a direct personal stake in what happens in my country most of the time. I don’t care if I need to go get a shot, I’m not 4 anymore and I don’t even cry now when the needle goes in. I don’t care if they want me to wear a mask- I have to wear pants. My government listens to my calls and probably yours. I care about that. The world is watching China while China watches every person in the world as much as they can. I care about that. I don’t really care about the chicken littles of the world. They’ll be right eventually and predict the sky falling, but I’m not getting worked up every time nor joining in shouting it around the town. This is not the end of freedom in Canada. If I’m wrong, I’ll sponsor you for a US visa as a sorry present.
Ill just repeat the fact that a survey of 2000 people, even if you assume all of those people are in the same demographic which 1000 of them were from a different country, is not going to be a good measure of the opinions of 38 million people. To claim that a sample size THAT small compared to the entire population is indicative of the whole is dishonest AF.
"You call me “disingenuous” which… to be frank you use that word often"
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You, of all people, are saying someone else is using words too often?
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And in my last set of replies I certainly never said you said I said something. I clarified that I had personally never said the thing you implied was being said in your reply to my response to what you said.
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Are people you reply to giving your opinion on the opinions they give supposed to not reply to you with their own opinion on the subject? Or do they have to do it in the third person..? Is it the use of the words "I never" that you object to? What what?
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This is the kind of rhetoric that lobotomizes people by mere error of happening upon it.
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And no one else cares if you wanna inject your body full of shit. There's literally safe injection sites in Canada you can go to to do just that.
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Notice there's no safe "strap strangers down and force needles in their arm" sites set up yet, though? Outside of prisons and asylums that is.
Is that so, guest? You're gonna keep running your mouth about things relevant to her life, downplaying or defending acts of tyranny by a coward who sicced the fucking banks on his political opponents; you'll keep mocking and infantilizing people's very legitimate concerns, pretending to be stupid in the same breath you imply someone else is, and you think you get to make it all okay with yet another arrogant insult from whatever ivory tower you sit atop of?
Get over yourself.
Go ahead and spend another day typing another essay. It is clear to all of us here that you are little more than a gullible and disingenuous midwit hiding behind lazy deflection, infuriating verbosity, and so many walls of text that consistently fail to communicate whatever point I'm sure you'll insist you *meant* with the next seven blocks of arrogance and condescension.
@famousone- where did I insult anyone before xvarnah and yourself started insulting me?
Also- my bingo sheet gets another tally with one of your classic favorites when pinned: “infantilizing.” If you look up the definition of that word you would actually see that more precisely- when xvarnah stated my opinions were those of someone who wasn’t facing threat that would be the closest thing to “infantilizing”- but still doesn’t actually meet the definition beyond dismissing my experience. I believe the word you are probably looking for is another one you are fond of using which is “condescending.” A key difference is that infantilizing is to treat as a child or to deny their age and experience, whereas condescension is to take on an airs of superiority or speak as though a person or thing is beneath you. More precisely though- at the end there I was being dismissive. If you FEEL I am infantilizing you, that would be a personal issue relating to insecurities.
I assure you- I’m prone to coddle children, you can tell by my lack of coddling I consider you to be adults. I CAN coddle you more if you would prefer it though. As I always say, I’m open to trying to accommodate.
@xvarnah- too often and too many words are perhaps not the same thing. It does help when the words are used in their proper meaning however. Sarcasm, satire, and irony can be disingenuous, but they aren’t always inherently so. I suppose that is it’s own topic of debate and is currently a somewhat hot topic of psychology. Regardless, sorry if I hurt your feelings.
@bethorien- yes. To the original topic and as I originally posted, a population sample of less than .0002% isn’t enough to firmly declare “most people feel this way” even if we don’t get in to all the other possible ways a poll or study can be flawed.
What will truly tell us how most Canadians feel on the issue is what comes next. As I said that somehow seems to have offended certain people- this whole thing seems to be wrapping up one way or another, how it wraps up and the aftermath should probably give a good indication of peoples feelings and convictions on the matter.
I hope, sincerely and for your sake, that you're pretending to not realize how you are an ass.
I know damn well what words I used, and what they mean. The semantic failings here are yours alone.
I don’t recall every saying I wasn’t an ass? I also wasn’t aware that anything being discussed in this post hinged on wether I am an ass or not? Again- you really like to make discussions of opinions or facts into personal attacks.
If you want to talk about me- make a thread about it man. Tag me and I might even come and stop by like a special guest or something. Personally I don’t find myself interesting enough a topic, but I’m not here to tell you what to be interested in, I would ask that when we are discussing other topics though you try to control your need to talk about me.
It isn’t a personal attack to challenge an opinion or offer a conflicting view. It is common for insecurity to make people feel that way, but I’m not attacking you as a person if I disagree with you. I’m not here calling you names or saying you’re an ass or you must be “pretending to be this stupid” as you are doing. I’m talking ideas- not people.
And here you are again. Acting as though your verbosity can disguise the insults you have weaved throughout your rhetoric and tangents.
You simply must not know how to have a proper discussion. Or much like a child who does not see the sneer on her own face, you fail to detect the scorn, belittlement, and derision in your tone.
If you want a discussion here is a few tips for you:
Firstly, stay on topic. Unless you want tangents of little significance, you should avoid introducing your own.
Point Bravo: Be concise. Stream of consciousness is fine for a journal or in short bursts, but when you consistently need several boxes to fail to even make your point, it suggests you may not be interested in communicating the point, or may not know it yourself.
3) People are usually not stupid. We can pick up on tone and implications just fine. Treat your audience, if not your opposition, with a modicum of respect.
Should I treat them with respect by calling them a child or accusing them of being bitter while I list all my grievances with them?
As I said- it is slightly flattering and slightly concerning the level of interest you show in me and discussing me as a person.
If you want to stay on topic I would advise you to do the same and spend less time thinking about me and more time discussing the topic.
It is of course your choice if you find me more interesting than the discussion, but it runs counter to what you are doling out as advice.
Make a claim, ask a question, or keep trolling. You can only control yourself. Just don't expect anybody to ignore your insults no matter how flowery it might seem to you.
"This web survey was conducted from February 4 to February 6, 2022, with 1,546 Canadians and 1,005 Americans, 18 years of age or older, randomly recruited from LEO’s online panel."
I don't really see how this resolves any of the concerns mentioned on surveys - actually just adds more to them since, again, nearly half the people involved were from another country.
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Assuming I'm reading this correctly [and please let me know if I'm not] approximately 600 of the remaining participants came from one province -- ontario. An additional 400ish are from Quebec, a province that has been so tightly under control people were about to be subjected to yet another curfew.
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This leaves a third of the 1500 votes for the entire rest of the country.
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This also don't take into account the types of people inclined to take these surveys. Most of the people who would agree with the convoy are.... At the convoys. Not taking surveys.
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This is actually one of Canada's biggest faults and is largely how we ended up stuck with Comrade Trudeau for so long
So, while this may express the opinions of the people who took the survey - which they are entitled to - I fail to see it as an accurate representation of Canada. That's my personal stance, don't expect you to agree with me.
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I also am not, nor did I ever on the other post, saying this may not actually be how Canada as a whole feels. Just that I don't believe you can say with absolute certainty how 38.1 million people feel based off of 1500.
Yo da dub dub
Lies, damned lies, and... well. You know.
Glad we could establish that.
Unlike you, some of us have been following the issue from the onset.
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Classic cognitive dissonance.
Some issues cannot be separated. Or, do you think all of West Taiwan actually likes Winnie?
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This is actually an important point a lot of non-canadians (and even Canadians) don't realize. Most of the mainstream media in Canada is bankrolled by the liberal government currently. Some of the largest trucking companies are also bankrolled by the liberal government.
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Near the beginning some of these trucking organizations tried to claim they spoke for all truckers and disavowed the actions of the others. And then people looked into it and these organizations had literally been making tons of donations to the liberal government.
-sends RCMP officers to intimidate them
-tries to bar them from press conferences
-when a judge rules he can't do that, Trudeau will then ignore the news agency and walk out in the middle of their questions.
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Someone who looks shockingly like Trudeau's personal photographer was also scene standing literally right beside one of the only Confederate flags at the protest. Not photographing them. Standing with them as they move.
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But this flag has been used in Trudeau's campaign to smear the protestors as white supremacists. And people believe it.
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The media covered it for days. Trudeau erected fences around the war memorials in response.
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They got torn down, which was also touted in our media as horrific in the beginning.
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Thing was, they were torn down by Veterans of the Canadian Military. Who, along with other protestors, proceeded to lay flowers along the memorial, pray, sing our national anthem, and clear away the ice that had gathered due to Trudeau's incompetence.
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For comparison: when BLM toppled statues of John a MacDonald (the founder of Canada), when they burned churches, when they threw paint on memorials during other "peaceful" protests... Trudeau and the media were barely inclined to mention let alone condemn it to anywhere near the degree of these protestors
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Trudeau labeled the truckers violent and yet as of yet I haven't seen any recorded acts of violence from them. Anytime a "protestor" shows up with a ski mask or a Nazi flag they are told to leave.
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Yet at least two protestors have been hit by vehicles and that is not considered violence by Trudeau.
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Anti-protestors are carrying communist flags and waving them proudly. Not all of them, but far more than the nazi or Confederate flags in the truckers.
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Perhaps I missed it but there hasn't seemed to be a peep from Trudeau about this.
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And to exacerbate the issue - Canada has an aging population. A great many of them still trust MSM and don't know where to get alternative info to get even anything close to the other side of the story.
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So the propagandist tactics are working. And do have an impact.
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Reactionaries are so clueless to how dumb their arguments are.
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I addressed factors of the climate of the country in which the survey took place. Which is actually pretty relevant.
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If you survey 1500 people in China right now and they all say they support the CCP party, is it not relevant that the CCP will disappear people who don't repeat that mantra?
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If you survey journalists in Russia and they all say Putin is the best leader ever, is it not relevant that there is a track record of journalists being killed by Putin for disagreeing?
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If a survey is taken of 1500 people and every one of them says Biden is a moron, would it not be relevant if the only news they had access to is Tucker Carlson?
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Once again I never stated the people of Canada may actually feel as the poll reflects. Merely reasons why it can also be considered highly flawed as a stand-alone.
That wouldn’t give an accurate voicing to all Canadian citizens or their views- but it would tell us by majority what the trends are likely to be for what “most” feel on an issue. Of course I agree that one study or poll isn’t enough to definitively say that most Canadians feel a certain way- we could say “most polled feel XYZ way” and allow the reader to draw their own conclusions. It also is important to note that “most”….
Regardless- the data should be framed differently- as indicated and not as fact, or fact within constraints and not reduced to absolutes.
It’s also a bit extreme to label enterprise as “state media” where the state doesn’t have ownership and explicit control. Politicians tend to own and run media and enterprise and moguls tend to be involved in lobbying and politics in capitalism. The lines between state and private are blurred, with entire industries or companies only existing by government contract or literal subsidy and “bail outs.”
With 6 years or so behind JT as the PM- we shall see how long he serves after this. That should be a pretty good although also imperfect indication of which way the people of Canada feel. He can always be dismissed if this poll is wrong- and if he keeps his office another so many years… maybe Canada on the whole feels he’s not doing the worst job.
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A rather disingenuous representation since I never said they were the same. I actually didn't even remotely imply they were the same. I said context matters.
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....to some of us, at any rate.
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But that has proven a fairly good example of the way Canadian media operates.
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A person says something. The media takes it, twists it, and blows it into an out of proportion diatribe until it only resembles what was actually said well enough to confuse anyone not paying attention.
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Thanks for your help on that front at least
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Spoken like somebody not facing the collapse of the rights in their country.
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Well done again lol
Also- we frequently debate issues which it is often you, who are arguing an opposing point under the flag of the dangers to freedom in my country. We have had numerous discussions on US politics and culture over the years and recently. So as far as “spoken like somebody not facing the collapse of the rights in their country…” according to your view points… I am a person facing the collapse of rights in my country- and I have much the same stance concerning my own country. One way or another all this is wrapping up more or less.
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My response to your meme was literally "you may be right, but I disagree with the methodology, as well as your format. Here is why I disagree and would require more information. Please correct me if I'm wrong."
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But, please..... Tell me more about how little of a victim you are while you show me where on the doll the downvotes touched you
Let's clarify, which seems to be a necessity every time you make a comment:
I never said you're not entitled to your opinion. I said your opinion is ignorant and disingenuous. You are absolutely entitled to it.
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I also never said foreigners aren't allowed to have an opinion on the matter - yourself included. That would be retarded. I said you speak like someone who has nothing actually vested in this outcome, and someone who hasn't bothered actually living or researching the issues - let alone the country - you speak of.
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Your representation of the Valentine chat is.... Sounding a lot like projection at best, tbh. They asked how the day went and I answered. When they said they didn't want that kind of answer I backed out immediately and tried to divert the conversation back toward what the poster themselves had said. I'm not even in the chat anymore - I won't be there unless someone tags me. The only one whining about it is... you?
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But I have still been regularly posting content on various subjects - today's topic is accidentally blood.
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I guess I have regularly posted like 5 cat memes in a row though... fuck maybe I do monopolize content after all
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I genuinely have no issue with you posting your stat thing, but I do wish it had been at least slightly meme-like. It's not a big issue since it's mostly a one-off which is why I mentioned it in passing. You could just as easily have posted your chart in the reply to my own post if you just wanted to argue statistics.
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"Anything else is you whining about being a vocal minority convinced you are the silent majority."
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And again, for the fourth time:
As I said before: the poll may, in fact, prove to be in line with what the majority of Canadian's feel.
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Now... are the silent majority in the room right you right now?
You call me “disingenuous” which… to be frank you use that word often and each time I’m confused as to how it applies or what in your mind determines when someone has a genuine opinion… and even more frank- while I’ll skip any flippant remarks about investing in a word a day calendar (it would probably come off as mean and not as a joke), I will say that what was the purpose of your remark about “person.. country..facing..rights” other than to discredit or quiet my voice?
But then again- you attempt to discredit and silence in the same reply stating I may have an opinion- you more or less say my opinion is invalid because I don’t meet your criteria as having Canadian street cred. You have your unsolicited opinion on a public forum and I didn’t try to discredit you as a person or invalidate your opinions. I don’t need to, what comes next will speak for me. As I said- this will either be over soon or Canadians will rise up together against tyranny if that’s their perspective and prerogative.
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You, of all people, are saying someone else is using words too often?
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And in my last set of replies I certainly never said you said I said something. I clarified that I had personally never said the thing you implied was being said in your reply to my response to what you said.
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Are people you reply to giving your opinion on the opinions they give supposed to not reply to you with their own opinion on the subject? Or do they have to do it in the third person..? Is it the use of the words "I never" that you object to? What what?
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This is the kind of rhetoric that lobotomizes people by mere error of happening upon it.
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And no one else cares if you wanna inject your body full of shit. There's literally safe injection sites in Canada you can go to to do just that.
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Notice there's no safe "strap strangers down and force needles in their arm" sites set up yet, though? Outside of prisons and asylums that is.
Get over yourself.
Go ahead and spend another day typing another essay. It is clear to all of us here that you are little more than a gullible and disingenuous midwit hiding behind lazy deflection, infuriating verbosity, and so many walls of text that consistently fail to communicate whatever point I'm sure you'll insist you *meant* with the next seven blocks of arrogance and condescension.
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Thanks to the truckers, and people who care and know a Helluva lot more than you, it won't be
Also- my bingo sheet gets another tally with one of your classic favorites when pinned: “infantilizing.” If you look up the definition of that word you would actually see that more precisely- when xvarnah stated my opinions were those of someone who wasn’t facing threat that would be the closest thing to “infantilizing”- but still doesn’t actually meet the definition beyond dismissing my experience. I believe the word you are probably looking for is another one you are fond of using which is “condescending.” A key difference is that infantilizing is to treat as a child or to deny their age and experience, whereas condescension is to take on an airs of superiority or speak as though a person or thing is beneath you. More precisely though- at the end there I was being dismissive. If you FEEL I am infantilizing you, that would be a personal issue relating to insecurities.
What will truly tell us how most Canadians feel on the issue is what comes next. As I said that somehow seems to have offended certain people- this whole thing seems to be wrapping up one way or another, how it wraps up and the aftermath should probably give a good indication of peoples feelings and convictions on the matter.
I know damn well what words I used, and what they mean. The semantic failings here are yours alone.
If you want to talk about me- make a thread about it man. Tag me and I might even come and stop by like a special guest or something. Personally I don’t find myself interesting enough a topic, but I’m not here to tell you what to be interested in, I would ask that when we are discussing other topics though you try to control your need to talk about me.
It isn’t a personal attack to challenge an opinion or offer a conflicting view. It is common for insecurity to make people feel that way, but I’m not attacking you as a person if I disagree with you. I’m not here calling you names or saying you’re an ass or you must be “pretending to be this stupid” as you are doing. I’m talking ideas- not people.
You simply must not know how to have a proper discussion. Or much like a child who does not see the sneer on her own face, you fail to detect the scorn, belittlement, and derision in your tone.
If you want a discussion here is a few tips for you:
Firstly, stay on topic. Unless you want tangents of little significance, you should avoid introducing your own.
Point Bravo: Be concise. Stream of consciousness is fine for a journal or in short bursts, but when you consistently need several boxes to fail to even make your point, it suggests you may not be interested in communicating the point, or may not know it yourself.
3) People are usually not stupid. We can pick up on tone and implications just fine. Treat your audience, if not your opposition, with a modicum of respect.
As I said- it is slightly flattering and slightly concerning the level of interest you show in me and discussing me as a person.
If you want to stay on topic I would advise you to do the same and spend less time thinking about me and more time discussing the topic.
It is of course your choice if you find me more interesting than the discussion, but it runs counter to what you are doling out as advice.
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Assuming I'm reading this correctly [and please let me know if I'm not] approximately 600 of the remaining participants came from one province -- ontario. An additional 400ish are from Quebec, a province that has been so tightly under control people were about to be subjected to yet another curfew.
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This leaves a third of the 1500 votes for the entire rest of the country.
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This also don't take into account the types of people inclined to take these surveys. Most of the people who would agree with the convoy are.... At the convoys. Not taking surveys.
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This is actually one of Canada's biggest faults and is largely how we ended up stuck with Comrade Trudeau for so long
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I also am not, nor did I ever on the other post, saying this may not actually be how Canada as a whole feels. Just that I don't believe you can say with absolute certainty how 38.1 million people feel based off of 1500.