Yeah. He sucks soooo bad. You wouldn't be sitting on a computer saying stupid things if he hadn't risked his life to open new routes. This whole trend of damning people in the past for doing the same shit that people have always and still do is stupid. No group of people in history has ever been perfect, including ANYONE today.
Looks like someone was triggered. Columbus wasn't great. His actions allowed for some okay things, but it wasn't good for many years. Certainly, there were some things he and his successors could of done a lot better.
You attribute modern social and diplomatic traits to people that still thought there were gods determining the outcome of their crops. It would be like me getting mad that a 10 year old that can't do my taxes. The whole world was full of groups of people that just killed and enslaved anyone that wasn't their own.
And I'm aware that Columbus wasn't great. He was banished from his own colony and sent back to Europe so guess what, THEY were aware of it as well. It doesn't change the fact that even the people that agreed with him were too scared to make the voyage themselves until he did it. Revisionist, apologetic history is bullshit.
And "trigger" is just a stupid SJW term for people that can't handle their feelings.
The Europeans thought bad smells caused plague, but also refused to bathe. All their medical knowledge and other advances came from Muslims, ancient Greeks, and Chinese. Without their help, they would still be bleeding people out to cure disease. Columbus definitely wasn't a savior. Maybe things may have turned out better because of what he did. But he definitely wasn't a good person, and didn't do anything good, other than actions that paved a path for something good, which he could not of been aware of. The Indians had a good trade system set up as well, and several groups had advanced past the stereotypical teepee wanderers we think of them as, with actual housing and great agriculture. If they had been able to trade, their society could have advanced much more.
You know what else the natives had? Wars, genocide, humans sacrifices and all the same shit every other culture in the world had and one time. They weren't some poor inocent people we snuck up on and just wiped out. The only reason "white men" survived was because some of the natives agreed to work with them to wipe out their own enemies. They sided with the new guys and betrayed their own people. Oh and surprised, once we had a foot hold we betrayed them. No shit. Anyone that knows anything about history knows that siding with a "new" enemy to fight an old one will end badly.
There were few if any domesticated animals in the "new world" when Columbus arrived. Farming wasn't that developed either so the populations were not as long lasted or successful as in the old world. Europeans out grew their land and sought more. If the tables were turned, native Americans would have invaded Europe. Hooray for survival of the fittest ensuring that the human species succeeds!
Isolation meant the natives never got horse saddles, paper, or gunpowder, all of which were Chinese inventions. Yet their agriculture was good enough that the colonists copied their techniques when they came over. The north american natives had an ingenious technique which let them plant three crops in a single space, and we know of the large Incan and Aztec cultures. They were advanced, but without trade, they couldn't advance as much as the Europeans could with the Muslim and Asian trade. They weren't innocent, but they weren't primitive, and it doesn't justify what we've done.
Saddles? They never had horses before Europeans came over. Through out history and even today groups of people have forcefully expanded their influence and conquered people unable or unwilling to defend themselves. It's happening today as we speak around the world. And should we ever get our asses off this rock and expand into the darkness of space, guess what, we will do it there as well. Or we will die trying.
You can hate people in the past for "being mean" based you what you believe to be a universal definition of fairness in play today but the fact is if the events of the past had not happened as they did, you wouldn't be here. Neither would I. So honestly, let's fix the fucked up shit of today instead of trying to put milk back in the glass.
The point is not to put milk back into the glass, but to admit we've done shitty things, and to acknowledge that we got here with bloodshed. Much like how we remember our troops, we need to know what bad we've done so that it's not repeated or continued today
No one denies what was done. But who cares? It isn't stopping ISIS from trying to do the same thing. And it won't stop any government from doing it if they want to. Ask Putin. What should be learned is that you do not want to be the fool that thinks people won't kill you and take your shit if they get the chance.
Nah, you're free to post what you want and we are free to disagree. To ask you to remove a post simply because we disagree is pathetic cowardice. Friendly discourse broadens horizons. Removing all that troubles you does nothing to build wisdom or charecter.
@novelus Damn. I've always thought he was a map maker, not a navigator. I wish I could remember why I remember it that way. I've learned something today.
Okay, time for a story. When Columbus went to America, he was never part of the conquests by Spain, Portugal, France, Britain or the Netherlands. He just "discovered" America, if you hate someone hate Spain or Britain because we killed a lot of the native population.
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And I'm aware that Columbus wasn't great. He was banished from his own colony and sent back to Europe so guess what, THEY were aware of it as well. It doesn't change the fact that even the people that agreed with him were too scared to make the voyage themselves until he did it. Revisionist, apologetic history is bullshit.
And "trigger" is just a stupid SJW term for people that can't handle their feelings.
He definitely was an explorer.
There were few if any domesticated animals in the "new world" when Columbus arrived. Farming wasn't that developed either so the populations were not as long lasted or successful as in the old world. Europeans out grew their land and sought more. If the tables were turned, native Americans would have invaded Europe. Hooray for survival of the fittest ensuring that the human species succeeds!
You can hate people in the past for "being mean" based you what you believe to be a universal definition of fairness in play today but the fact is if the events of the past had not happened as they did, you wouldn't be here. Neither would I. So honestly, let's fix the fucked up shit of today instead of trying to put milk back in the glass.
just leave it be or I'll delete it ugh
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