The 3 guys who tried to break in were found with a multitude of weapons, but I'm sure the grandfather will say brass knuckles and a spiked club aren't deadly weapons.
Yeah but break ins would be less frequent. And you know what? I have a gun in my house. And people have told me to my face I shouldn't. Like that's going to make a difference
I'm not against people owning guns, and I even encourage it, but it's still going to make people whine about how everyone is now dangerous and armed, and how our children are going to get shot.
Would the grandfather be happy if the grandson wasn't shot, but instead helped beat the s*it out of the homeowner? The kid broke the law by breaking into someone's home while carrying weapons. Did he really expect to just walk in and out without some kind of confrontation? I don't think so.
Though can I just say I wish people didn't have to always shoot to kill, I don't know the full story, but these were young kids being dumb, I'm not arguing with self-defense, but where's the value of human life?
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· 7 years ago
It goes out the fucking window when my own is possibly being threatened
Well that's why I said I don't know the full story, was his life being threatened? Just because someone breaks into your house doesn't mean it is, another point I want to make is that with proper training your reactions can be honed to disarm and not kill, if this had been done with a six shooter or something I would be more understanding, but it's a little fucked up that someone seemingly without the proper training is able to get an AR-15
A man that arms himself and forcibly enters another man's home intending to do harm has demonstrated that he doesn't value life.
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That's why I said possibly. You know a split second is all it takes to end your life. If there's a 50/50 chance of me getting killed, I'm gonna fucking shoot
Which is it? You claimed to not know much about the situation and then claimed that somebody without proper training acquired an AR variant. The assailants were all armed. the defender dispatched all three of them. He was apparently trained well enough. Your bias is showing.
Again, how are we sure he's intending to do harm? Either way, just cause he doesn't value life means we shouldn't either? Again, not arguing the self defense bit, my main problem with the whole thing is he should have training to shoot to disarm with a gun like that, any gun really, but especially a more powerful one, and let's not forget the sad fact 3 stupid teenagers who may have otherwise become functioning adults, died before they could even learn their lesson
I guess that's a good point, so if he did have good training, it's sad that he decided to kill them, 3 young people, rather than disarm them, again, all life has value
Would you drive nails through a club to give it spikes and don brass knuckles before breaking into a house without intending harm? Shoot to disarm? That is not a thing, this isn't Hollywood kid. Also, an AR is not a "high power" rifle. I have a 6 shooter with more ass, and there are plenty more powerful 6 shooters out there. The AR has significantly less recoil and is easier to handle in some situations. I'd love to see a hundred pound rookie try to handle a Super Red Hawk.
I guess what I'm truly trying to say is I wish this had happened a different way where those boys didn't have to die, I understand he did what he felt he had to, but that doesn't mean they necessarily deserved
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· 7 years ago
Oh my god, it is clearly possibly that they would harm or kill you if they broke into your house wtf. In the long run, it doesn't fucking matter how you value others lives, if you put the lives of criminals looking to rob you, over your own, you deserve to die. That is bad survival skill and you clearly don't value your life. The point is YOU DONT KNOW. You don't know the type of criminals they are, violent or not. If you're willing to take the chance that they're nice, and bargain with your life, prepare to pay the price. You, as a person, I hope you don't get in this situation because you are clearly not prepared and you will most likely end up hurt or worse. It is simply bad survival skills
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· 7 years ago
A cop I once had as a teacher said that "Anyone who is willing to break into a home they know is occupied is capable of committing murder."
Whether they knew there was people in the house is debatable, but I don't think you bring brass knuckles and a knife if you expect a house to be empty.
"shoot to disarm." That's funny shit right there. Gave me a good laugh.
If somebody armed breaks into the home my wife, daughter and I are sleeping in they deserve every extra breathing hole they get. P.S.None of those downvotes are mine.
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· 7 years ago
I don't downvote when having a reasonable argument
I honestly got sidetracked in a way looking at my comments, the main point i want to get across (sometimes I suck at that cause I get sucked into arguing easily) I guess is that it's sad that they had to die, because according to you guys they did, and according to the homeowner they did, and probably according to the situation itself as well, but every time something like this happens it almost serms people forget that people lost their lives, sons, brothers, blah blah, I'm happy to know the family is safe, but it sucks to know that those kids will never get to make up for their mistake at no one's fault but their own
I know people who were in similar situations as those boys and they turned out to be great human beings, so I always just think about that when I read these things, that being said I understand he may have not had any other choice, hell I hopehhdidn
Dickly, i whole heartedly agree that it's sad someone had to die. But it's easy to take your stance without ever being there yourselfe. Do you think you'd be singing a different toon if you just rolled out of bed in your pj's in the middle of the night and these three guys were ready to hit you with a BAT FULL OF NAILS? I think you're lacking perspective my friend.
Rebuttal: These aren't the things that go through the mind of a scared person faced with home invaders. Had he not been armed there's a good chance they would have panicked and hurt or killed him. I'm not saying they should have been killed, but that's the risk you run breaking into people's homes.
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This reminds me of "But officer you could have just shot him in the leg!"
No. Legs are small targets. Heads are also small targets. You don't aim for either, at first anyway. You aim for center mass.
What else I might add I think gatsby said quite well on his own imo.
There is no safe spot to shoot a bullet into on the human body. You put enough traumatic force into anywhere it's going to hurt, and it could end up being lethal if not promptly treated.
Next time a trio breaks into my home armed with brass knuckles, a knife and a spiked club (I wonder what their intention was) I'll be sure to sit them down and discuss their life choices with them instead of dispatching them like rabid animals.
The fault here lies with the three who broke in or whomever's responsability it was to raise them. Does robery deserve death.....i dont think so. But if you're going to parachute out of a plane you better have an unddrstanding that dying from a terminal velocity ground impact because of chute failure is a part of the risk. If three kids broke into my house and posed a threat to the safety of my family you can bet your a$$ catching a few center mass bullets is in the cards.
If the dude had just called the police and held his gun at the ready, the kids might have been put in jail to be rehabilitated rsther than killed. Still, I don't entirely blame the homeowner... In the heat of the moment, in his position, I might have done that same thing.
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Well, you weren't wrong about it being an unpopular opinion. As for calling the police and holding them there? I don't know all the circumstances. Maybe they were 30 feet away maybe they were 10. Maybe he warned them, maybe he didn't. Maybe the police have a response time of 8 minutes, maybe it's 30. Without all those things and more I can't say for certain if he had no other choice, but even if I did, hindsight is 20/20 and real time is a helluva lot blurrier than that.
I agree. So us passing judgement on what should or shouldn't happen is unfounded. But i stand by my statement that if i thought my family or i was in danger, the person(s) breaking the law aren't getting any gracefull assumptions on my part. They chose to put themselves there, not me.
Being outnumbered three-to-one.
Whether they knew there was people in the house is debatable, but I don't think you bring brass knuckles and a knife if you expect a house to be empty.
"shoot to disarm." That's funny shit right there. Gave me a good laugh.
No. Legs are small targets. Heads are also small targets. You don't aim for either, at first anyway. You aim for center mass.
What else I might add I think gatsby said quite well on his own imo.