I'LL VENT
I FUCKING HATE THE ROMANTICISM OF SUICIDE AND DEPRESSION... YOU WILL NEVER KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE LIKE SHIT AND FEELING LIKE IT...IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A FUCKING GIRL STEREOTYPE THAT GUYS HER SHIT FROM FOREVER 21 AND LIKES FLOWERS AND SAD BANDS JUST TO CATER TO AN AUDIENCE...JUST FUCKING. STOP. IT. IT'S NOT CUTE, FUNNY, QUIRKY BIT MYSTERIOUS.
rant over
Bulimia is not a pretty girl crying over a toilet. Anorexia is not a lovely maiden shyly refusing a cupcake. Schizophrenia isn't cute or eccentric. I jus thought I'd add these. I have two pseudo depressed "friends" who just want to fit the stupid aesthetic. They don't know how it feels.
yeah...it didn't help my state of mind much. TBH, I'm probably not ok anymore
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I'm sorry to hear about that, to be honest I don't have experience in helping people with this touchy subject but I'm sure there are people who know how to help or professionals that can help if you give them a try. Best of luck to you :)
Well that's a show I can't watch then
Thanks @incognito for posting this ^-^
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You're welcome! I didn't really like how people were glorifying it in my school, acting like it was pure "entertainment" or "it's just a show" when suicide should NEVER be treated as such.
Yeah I agree
I've had to talk numerous friends out of suicide in the past,and I saw how much they suffered,and from the looks of it,the show pretty much trivializes their struggles. It's so fucked up.
Dude, seconded. Thanks a bunch for putting this up. I thought I was just being sensitive/weak because seeing the ads everywhere rubbed me wrong. I read the book in the years where I was first starting to get depressive episodes and experienenting with self harm and it really didn't help.
There really wasn't back then. When it was popular in my area everyone loved it and were so excited about a movie but this was also when everyone was in their edgy emo phase and being depressed and suicidal was the " cool " thing ( we actually had all the scene girls fawn over this one kid cause he ACTUALLY cut himself )
Because when you're suicidal being told that makes you feel worse. You know it's selfish. Being told that makes you feel awful for feeling that way, in turn making you feel worse.
The least helpful thing you can do for a suicidal individual is give them a book on 101 ways to kill yourself or make a television show graphically depicting suicide against the wishes of mental health experts. But what do I know?
I felt the same way before, but it really is selfish to kill yourself. I've been suicidal, I've felt where you're coming from and I agree that if someone is feeling suicidal, it's stupid to tell them how much their hurting others rather than helping them through their hurting. That doesn't mean it isn't selfish when they do it though.
Thank you, @diyrogue that was what I was trying to say. You just shouldn't tell someone suicide is selfish, cos most people who are suicidal do know it's selfish.
I'm gonna be honest, I've been suicidal before but I don't see anything wrong with the show ? I mean I'm only like halfway through but I don't get why people are getting so pissy about it.
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This post is not about people who have healed already, there are people right now in horrible states of mind and they don't need to think that ending their life will finally give them praise. I mean this in the most respectful way possible.
I haven't healed either, right now I'm fine but I did have a breakdown two days ago.
And I don't see how this is giving people who kill themselves praise. It's about people mourning a girl who's dead and people who hate her as well ?
I don't think they were praising her... after all half the characters were still saying what a bitch she was at least once every episode, but what i do think is that the show approached the whole leaving tapes behind thing in a way that felt like they were saying "if this shit happens to you, it's okay to commit suicide" which is an aweful message to give
I wish they had expanded a little more on skye (who obviously had a lot of shit going on) and jessica (who had just come to terms with being raped) and how they handled things from that point forward, to show that even when shit happens to you, there is another way out of that mess that isn't suicide, that there is a light at the end of the tunnel (they hinted a bit at it with the final clay-skye scene but they could expand it). But hey there are rumors of a second season going around so maybe they will touch on that subject (maybe alongside with a recovering alex that is given a second chance in life, even)
It usually does. I don't follow any sjw blogs and have used tumblr for years. It was only when I joined funsubstance that I noticed all the hate for it.
Yeah it was probably a mistake for me to watch this...I think it was a good show and I get why they were so graphic with it, but I've been out of high school and out of my bad situations for over 3 years now and it still f-ed me up for awhile..so if you are in a dark place right now I would not recommend it.
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Suicide sucks... If you think nobody will miss you, you're wrong. I've personally known two people who have committed suicide, and while I wasn't close to either one, I still think about them often, and still hurt from it. I hadn't talked to either of them in years, yet now I can't get them out of my head.
People will miss you. And you will be surprised at just how many there will be. I didn't get to attend Nick's funeral, because I never heard or saw an announcement for it, but I did go to Paige's. Not only was the chapel filled, but the overflow and the basketball gym behind that was as well.
Depression is difficult to handle. The first thing to do is to realize that you have to want to beat it. You have to want to change and help yourself. People will tell you to smile, to fake it until you make it: do it. It really does help. Talk to somebody; your parents, a friend, a therapist. Get medication; it's an illness that needs to be treated, just like the flu or strep-throat. But you
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also have to want to help yourself. It's hard, it's frustrating. But life can get better. So don't give up. Giving up is never worth it. But staying around can be, if you're willing to try. After all, if you've hit bottom, what else is there to lose? Keep going, keep trying. It took 10000 tries to make a light bulb. Try to smile for 10000 days and see if it works.
I was cured of any mild interest once I heard the godafwul cover of 'Only You' Selena Gomez did for the show. Why God why ruin such a cool song.
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"Only You" is a pretty vague song title, and the first "Only You" that came to mind was the DDR song by Captain Jack.
Then Selena Gomez started singing that one in my head, and now I'm uncomfortable.
I totally understand how this could affect people with suicidal thoughts but for me, someone who has suffered and still has depression and suicidal thoughts, this show made me really think. Like it pushed me away from being suicidal because I saw the effect it had on her parents and how awful it was for them and Clay and it made me understand how it affects so many other people than just me. So really this show helped me
But it's also helping bring awareness to the issue. It's talks about the signs of someone who is suicial and it also handles other serious issues like rape and drunk driving and owning up to things you've done wrong. It also shows how devastated the people around the suicide are like the parents when they found her and how the hurt has been passed along people. But No they probably shouldn't have shown the suicide to be fair but I think the concept and the main messages were there in the show
Here's the thing: Although I completely disagreed with them showing the actual suicide (that was completely irresponsible), as a *healthy* individual, I thought the show was fantastic in terms of what makes a TV show great (premise, character development, suspense, etc.). However, I would never suggest that someone with suicidal ideation, intent to self-harm, etc watch the show. That's where *our* responsibility as viewers, parents, etc comes in.
Oh fuck off. I read the book when I was 15 and (I don't usually read teen stories like that) but it was so compelling. I even prefer it to the TV show. Don't watch it or read the book, it has trigger warnings anyway, so why did you watch it in the first place?
This post is right. I was watching the show last night and it really brought up a lot of bad memories for me... I even said "wow I should have killed myself and done this to my bullies this girls a genius". I've been suicidal again lately but i'm in a better(ish) place now that my thoughts are not as intense as they used to be. Please don't watch this show and get inspired... that's how I took it and I realize it's unhealthy. They glorify her revenge, I can relate to almost everything she went through, and I would love for my bullies and sexual assaulter to feel regret but suicide is not the way to do it
I knew it was about suicide but I thought it would be more supernatural or she was at least hiding and didn't actually kill herself. I haven't finished but I guess she actually did kill herself? Idk
I did have a problem with the shows premise and glorifying suicide/revenge, but I do think telling the producers not to show something because it effects people is a bit too far. It's like when popular tv shows show torture and murder...and don't we all hate it when crimes are blamed on video games/tv shows? We all know it's ridiculous to think shooter games are a direct cause of murder. I know a lot of people find it distasteful, but if you find suicide triggering, don't watch a show about it. I think the viewer should take some self-responsibility.
I just was talking about this post to my grandmother and she said something I didn't think about. She said that it could have the opposite effect and show people how your suicide would impact others, and when you're gone, that's it. How media about suicide could help people choose not to do it. I just thought it was an interesting view.
I'm gonna get downvoted for this but when I read the book (a very long time ago) there was praise etc. for it, it was very popular and I didn't read any complaints about it (especially as the book was aimed for teenagers).
People are so sensitive nowadays, if you think the show is so terrible, then don't watch it. Why watch it before even knowing what it's about? Of course it's going to have dark disturbing themes in it. I mean come on, I've had really bad points in my life, even now things aren't so great but watching the TV show doesn't aggravate me. Also, I don't see how suicide is romanticised in any way; I see it more as a 'be careful how you treat people because there are most likely to be repercussions in the future'.
FUCK YOU 13 REASONS WHY! FUCK THAT SHOW! FUCK YOUR GLORIFYING AND DESENSITIZING SUICIDE! FUCK YOU AND I SHALL NEVER WATCH YOU! JUST FUCK OFF! Ok I'm done! Sorry!
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Alright, I get that this show is doing something /*bad*/ but calm the fuck down.
Sorry to hear you didn't agree with the message. It didn't glorify suicide. It showed how tragic taking your own life is and that other people do care even if you can't see it. It also showed both sides, how you don't know how others feel and that there aren't always warning signs. Many people feel lost or feel nothing. Its a lesson from both sides.
I don't think it is suicide glorifying. It wasn't right of Hannah to do that. And they keep saying that throughout the show especially. I think it shows more of the effect it does have on everyone else after something terrible like that happens. You see Hannah hurting, and then you see her parents hurt, Clay, Jessica, etc. You see that even though Hannah was going through a rough time, so was everyone else. Now, I'm not denying that if you have sucidical tendencies- probably isn't the show for you. But, do not ruin this arguably tragic love story for those whom can discern that sucide is not the answer, and that you are never truly alone. Because suicide is not glorified. It's not shown in a positive light at all in this show. And Netflix has warnings on the episodes that are sensitive so if you ignore the warning, then that's your call.
But you replied to his/her comment, so at least some people are still paying attention. Plus, he/she probably clicked on Random and didn’t realize the date.
I FUCKING HATE THE ROMANTICISM OF SUICIDE AND DEPRESSION... YOU WILL NEVER KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE LIKE SHIT AND FEELING LIKE IT...IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A FUCKING GIRL STEREOTYPE THAT GUYS HER SHIT FROM FOREVER 21 AND LIKES FLOWERS AND SAD BANDS JUST TO CATER TO AN AUDIENCE...JUST FUCKING. STOP. IT. IT'S NOT CUTE, FUNNY, QUIRKY BIT MYSTERIOUS.
rant over
Thanks @incognito for posting this ^-^
I've had to talk numerous friends out of suicide in the past,and I saw how much they suffered,and from the looks of it,the show pretty much trivializes their struggles. It's so fucked up.
And I don't see how this is giving people who kill themselves praise. It's about people mourning a girl who's dead and people who hate her as well ?
People will miss you. And you will be surprised at just how many there will be. I didn't get to attend Nick's funeral, because I never heard or saw an announcement for it, but I did go to Paige's. Not only was the chapel filled, but the overflow and the basketball gym behind that was as well.
Depression is difficult to handle. The first thing to do is to realize that you have to want to beat it. You have to want to change and help yourself. People will tell you to smile, to fake it until you make it: do it. It really does help. Talk to somebody; your parents, a friend, a therapist. Get medication; it's an illness that needs to be treated, just like the flu or strep-throat. But you
Then Selena Gomez started singing that one in my head, and now I'm uncomfortable.
People are so sensitive nowadays, if you think the show is so terrible, then don't watch it. Why watch it before even knowing what it's about? Of course it's going to have dark disturbing themes in it. I mean come on, I've had really bad points in my life, even now things aren't so great but watching the TV show doesn't aggravate me. Also, I don't see how suicide is romanticised in any way; I see it more as a 'be careful how you treat people because there are most likely to be repercussions in the future'.