Just because you think that you’re a girl doesn’t mean that you are one. What you are at birth is what you will always will be. No amount of hormones or plastic surgery will change that.
And no one but crazy sjws are claiming that transitioning makes you fully cis, but its getting you the closest it can since right now its the only treatment for gender dysphoria. Calling someone he or she with what they're transitioning to doesn't effect you either way, but going out of your way to MAKE SURE that they know they aren't truly c what they're trying to be just makes tou an asshole.
Calling someone who has/used to have a penis but it trying to become a female a she takes no work on your part ( as long as they pass well enough) and its really gross that you're trying to invalidated the only treatment they have
"Treatment." I wouldn't call cutting off your dick "treatment". I'd call it insanity. The suicide rate for trans people is 40%, and that statistic doesn't change between those who've 'transitioned' and those who haven't. And I'm not directly addressing this person, so calm down. Call me an asshole all you want. I'm just stating facts. I'm not gonna call a trans person the gender they want to be; I call them the gender they are. If I'm expected to act a certain way around people that is different than how I want to act, then you can bet your ass that affects me.
Maybe the suicide rate is high in part because of people like you.
And it's not like they cut off their dick with a rusty saw in their basement with only vodka as a painkiller. They go to a trained professional. The suicide rate for people who haven't transitioned is, I'm sure, much higher than those of people who are comfortable in their own skin.
You're an asshole because you make others hurt.
Yea, put the blame on me because there's totally nothing wrong with those people who wanna be something they're not. It doesn't matter who cuts off your genitalia, your genitalia still got cut off. Just because someone has a damn PhD doesn't mean that it's okay for them to do it. All they're doing is taking your money. And yes, the suicide rate is lower among people who know what gender they are, and higher among trans people. The point is they still feel suicidal even after they 'transition'. Again, call me an asshole all you want. Words don't affect me when it's coming from someone I don't know or particularly care for. Maybe if trans people would take that same sentiment and not worry about what other people say, they might not wanna kill themselves as much. But hey, if you wanna cut your genitalia off and think you're something you're not, at the end of the day I have no control over that. But I can give my argument, which is something no one but me has control over.
You can only call them the gender they are if you know they're trans. Otherwise you're just calling it as you see it. You're not expected to act different for the most part, as most people transitioning try to pass the best they can, meaning you wouldn't be able to distinguish them from a cis person without looking in their pants. So you would be changing how you normally act just to purposefully make someone uncomfortable if they passed well enough to look 100% female and you called them she but found out they we're trans and started saying he even though they look like a she. That's just wrong.
And I know you weren't talking about this specific person I was using an example.
And yeah, transitioning isn't a good treatment but its the only one they have. And you doing shit to remind them of that isn't helping anyone.
" Maybe if trans people would take that same sentiment and not worry about what other people say, they might not wanna kill themselves as much "
They don't want to kill themselves ( mostly) because of how others treat them. People who are trans have gender dysphoria which is a mental illness that makes someone feel like they were born as the wrong sex,
its usually accompanied by things like depression. THAT'S why they're so suicidal.
Anyone with certain illnesses isn't allowed. As far as I know you aren't even allowed to go if you have diabetes. I support these decisions though since there's an actual reason behind them ( for the most part certain people being unstable and since you're in combat they won't always be able to get you your meds and therapy)
I'm just pissed because the courts are trying to undo Trump's order to keep them from joining the military. There is a certain kind of crazy I would appreciate in someone watching my back, gender dysphoria is not it.
They just want the government to pay for their shit. They could care less about the country and it's needs.
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You guys like facts? I got you some facts. http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm It's mainly an interview with the swedish scientist Cecilia Dhejne, whose findings are a main base of (not only) Ben Shapiros distorted claims. TLDR:
"Q: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?
Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented."
This is the HuffPo article: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html - Hope these facts don't hurt your feelings.
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well, your thumbs down definitely don't hurt mine *lol* -where's Ben Shapiro when you need him most?
Iblazel, my best friend is transgender, and, yes, he tried to kill himself. But not because he's transgender, no, but because people who he loves and cares about kept on calling him "she". He's got gender dysphoria, and the only thing soothing that is being himself; A boy. He found solace and peace in being himself, and he felt proud whenever he came out to someone, because that meant he told people about who he knew he was inside. And then there were these assholes, people without sympathy, who isn't HIM, who doesn't understand his brain the way he does, that balked and said, "But you have a vagina, right? You were born a girl? You know, girls and boys have different skeletons, hormones and chromosomes. You can never change those things. You're a woman." He laughed it off, joked, every time, but I'm his best friend and I could see that every. Damn. Word. Hurt. If someone has anxiety, you don't tell them that every person hates them and that they should continue hiding from social
interactions and never go outside, or never feel calm, or not try their best. If someone is depressed, you don't tell them that the world is actually as terrible as they think, or that they will never feel happy again, or that nobody loves them. Because none of those statements are true! These people have problems! Problems mentally, that makes them feel like shit because they think they're not enough, or that they will mess up. You're not enough of an asshole to tell a guy about to jump from a building that he should do it, are you? You wouldn't offer help or at least tell him something positive about life?
Then why would you, every day, say one small thing to a person that brings them down so deep into the mud that they don't feel like trying anymore? It's not even that hard for YOU. It's just pronouns. But to them, it's so much more.
Show some damn understanding. - S
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I see how it's important to you to state all that but those bully brats don't give a flying fnuck anyway. Once they're out of school for today, it'll rain thumbs down. They don't care about feelings and they don't care about facts.
You're assuming that every trans woman has a dick? And what about infertile women, because they exist too. Are they suddenly just as inferior to you because they cannot, as you say, "bear your children"?
You’re missing my point on purpose. Not every trans woman has a dick, but not one of them has a womb. Anyway my wife is sterile now, after bearing one child she contracted cancer and her body was ravaged and beaten but not entirely destroyed.
" you're assuming that every trans woman has a dick " " in fact a very little portion of us do "
My dude, then it shouldn't be an issue. The issue is when tou expect someone to be fine with a dick because you identify as a woman. If you're post op it shouldn't be an issue since you really wouldn't need to tell anyone unless you were getting serious with them.
Girl, you dress the way you want to dress, and put on makeup if you want to have makeup! Your parents have no say in you being your own person. Hormones might be a problem if you're under 18, but even then, I believe you can do what needs to be done. Fight for being you! <3 - S
I mean, while I agree with guests sentiment, that's not always a good idea. There's a lot of transphobic people and if its the parents house its their rules. Shiwan could try and inform their parents and change their minds, but I don't know their situation and how violent they can be. Sometimes its better to just wait than to come out. It can be dangerous.
What the heckers happened to the skin colour? And the Hairline. And the muscle development?????? AND THE SHOULDER BROADNESS??? (edit to fix my filthy language)
1. Lightning. I look pale in my bathroom while I look tan in my living room
2. That's not really hard to lose+hormones
3. Surgery. There's also facial reconstruction, hips, etc. .
1. As shiwan said, lighting
2. When you transition your hair actually grows out thicker and your hairline lowers apparently. As far as what I remember from trans you tuber stef sanjati (I think was her name)
3. When you transition your fat redistributes itself. Fat moves in places to hide more of the muscle and give softer definition. Also though the actual bone structure wont change without surgery she may also work out less so it's not as noticeable and camera angles work wonders
Calling someone who has/used to have a penis but it trying to become a female a she takes no work on your part ( as long as they pass well enough) and its really gross that you're trying to invalidated the only treatment they have
And it's not like they cut off their dick with a rusty saw in their basement with only vodka as a painkiller. They go to a trained professional. The suicide rate for people who haven't transitioned is, I'm sure, much higher than those of people who are comfortable in their own skin.
You're an asshole because you make others hurt.
And I know you weren't talking about this specific person I was using an example.
And yeah, transitioning isn't a good treatment but its the only one they have. And you doing shit to remind them of that isn't helping anyone.
They don't want to kill themselves ( mostly) because of how others treat them. People who are trans have gender dysphoria which is a mental illness that makes someone feel like they were born as the wrong sex,
its usually accompanied by things like depression. THAT'S why they're so suicidal.
"Q: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?
Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented."
This is the HuffPo article: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html - Hope these facts don't hurt your feelings.
Then why would you, every day, say one small thing to a person that brings them down so deep into the mud that they don't feel like trying anymore? It's not even that hard for YOU. It's just pronouns. But to them, it's so much more.
Show some damn understanding. - S
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Imagine looking for a mate to bear your children and finding a twig and berries.
But you're chatting wham ATM
ATM, at the moment
My dude, then it shouldn't be an issue. The issue is when tou expect someone to be fine with a dick because you identify as a woman. If you're post op it shouldn't be an issue since you really wouldn't need to tell anyone unless you were getting serious with them.
2. That's not really hard to lose+hormones
3. Surgery. There's also facial reconstruction, hips, etc. .
2. When you transition your hair actually grows out thicker and your hairline lowers apparently. As far as what I remember from trans you tuber stef sanjati (I think was her name)
3. When you transition your fat redistributes itself. Fat moves in places to hide more of the muscle and give softer definition. Also though the actual bone structure wont change without surgery she may also work out less so it's not as noticeable and camera angles work wonders