And some people don’t have parents. The point of public school is to equalize the opportunities and abilities of children who wouldn’t have the money or opportunity for private education. However the “quality” of ones parents in various fields can have a drastic impact on a child’s ability to be a successful adult. On those grounds I feel that the thought a child will learn these life choices from a parent or care taker is somewhat antiquated and rooted in a traditional, “wholesome” nuclear family model. That said- having schools educate children on how to be human beings is also somewhat distopian. It would set the stage for schools to assume the role of a parent and not as an institution designed to offer the opportunity at paths and not simply one path of its choosing. Even things like basic economics are contentious, look to the phrasing: “having a child versus the cost of having an education,” not the sort of philosophy of like taught to any children of raise.
Changing tires and oil should be the parent's work or when you have a mechanic fix your car, ask them about it
Pros and cons of having credit card would be on the bank, ask them
And you don't know how to sew a button... are you disabled in any way?
Also, we have the internet, just use Google
I have to largely agree. While not everyone has parents at all, or parents let alone any other positive role models to help them- the best lesson any school can teach is how to find answers intelligently and efficiently. School can’t live your life for you. No matter how well a school teaches you, there will always be something you’ll encounter once out of school it didn’t prepare you for. You’ll need to figure it out on your own. That’s life. “Common things” like “how to sew a button” change with time and perspective. In a world where kids already feel over worked and over burdened by all they must learn, we would add to that burden? In a world where kids already leave school claiming “they wasted time teaching me XYZ I never used! They should have...” We want to add a bunch of random stuff most kids won’t need or use? And if you want to learn- there are college classes, learning annexes and seminars often free through public or volunteer organizations. Go learn the stuff there.
Bad Logic. You can google anything you learned in school, does that mean they shouldn't teach it? A lot of people aren't good at teaching themselves. These are things that are more important for the average person than high level math or literature. What use does a laborer have for calculus? But knowledge of loans and checkbooks, taxes, etc are useful to everyone and should be taught
Speaking of laborers- very few K-12 offer programs to become a master or even apprentice plumber, welder, long shore man. You won’t likely learn to repair heavy treaded vehicles, diesels or aircraft. Hydraulic systems, HVAC repair or how to frame a house. School crams a broad and wide knowledge base of subjects used most in a wide range of skilled trades and careers. A general foundation that allows you to have whatever you need to build upon your professional skills through apprenticeship, college, trade school, etc. your future is unknown. School can’t know you want to be a laborer. I’ll tell you this though- if you decide one way and change your mind it’s going to be way easier to learn how to be a laborer than it will learn calculus. You’ll find less people responding to a job that requires heavy calculus than a job requiring “lift stuff,” and that’s why one generally pays better and has perks. Loans change, I don’t know anyone who uses a checkbook and I’m old, and taxes are...
... stupid easy if you know basic math (which if you learned calculus should be no problem huh?) and come with freaking instructions. They literally come with instructions. But if you don’t want to deal with that, and didn’t learn to do math or read instructions (things taught currently in most schools,) you can get turbo tax or even do federal taxes free online. So I have to say that I don’t see the logic in trying to teach kids things that entire generations grew up having to do themselves, at the expense of skills that can actually help them get knowledge based careers. Unless seamstress is your calling, sewing buttons isn’t an in demand career skill, if you aren’t an accountant, being able to do taxes isn’t going to make you any money, it will save you $70 a year if you can’t figure out a 1040ez.
My school actually does require us to learn a lot of this stuff and the things it didn’t teach me I learned from either my parents or the internet. You can literally learn any of this on the internet.
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Surely the car stuff should be for when you take driving lessons, that’s where I learned it
Shiz bro i mean autos taught me all the car stuff while financial literacy taught me bout all the financial stuff. I mean the rest my parents taught me bro stick shift cooking all that even if they didnt i always could have taken a cooking class i think all these lowkey are taught now
They’re available to learn, but whenever some people encounter something they weren’t spoon fed a solution for they call it a failure in education versus a failure in personal thought. They see “adults” who seem so self sufficient, who have nice things and aren’t barely holding on and are mad because things are harder for them. Here’s the 2 secrets though: 1. Everyone else is just figuring things out as they go and faking it too. The better a job they do the more you believe them.
2. Those adults were where you are now 10,20,30+ years ago. They went through their generations version of eating ramen and pulling all nighters. Most kids are either born after their parents lives have stabilized, or right before their parents get it together. They weren’t alive to see when mom didn’t know how to do taxes or dad couldn’t sew a button. Join the scouts if you want to learn basic shit. Take a community college course or attend a free library or parks and Rec Demo. YouTube. It’s all out there
Do we add these classes to the schedules of over burndned students, or eliminate things like math to make room? If you do well in those subjects, you can pay someone to sew your buttons on. If you have a car and don’t own your own tow truck you should probably have road side assistance. Most new cars come with it too. They’ll change your tire for you. Yes. It’s good to know things. So take a class, go to free seminars comminly held all over, or take the elective in college. Or just figure it out. We live in an age where you can learn any skill online or through YouTube videos. So wether you learn it yourself or learn it at school you will still need to invest the time to do so. “Not having time” isn’t an excuse, if it were a class you’d have the same amount of time, maybe less. School teaches you to find answers. No one can prepare you for everything you might encounter in your life, everyone’s life is different. You get a general education and success in life is up to you, not school.
Frankly these won't get you a job and you can totaly learn that by yourself. It's also the parents' role. And if they don't care, that's when you search, ask someone else, or try and fail.
"I don't know how." "No one showed me." Stupid, whiny, useless little assholes. Just do it. Figure it out. I remember when I was in my teens and 20's it was all about what I wanted to do, not what I didn't know. You want to know how to do something? Watch a video, read an article, ask someone, then do it. Break things, screw up, learn from your mistakes. Stop fucking whining about everything. You'd be surprised what you can do if you quit worrying about what you don't know and just focus on doing something.
Home economics covers a good chunk of these things. Also consumer math. What ever happened to those one things they used to have when I was in school that taught this stuff? What the heck were they called again? Oh yeah, parents.
Some schools do provide for this. Mine had an auto shop and a cooking class. The problem is that you need someone to teach that. Each of those subjects. Learning how to take care of your car from your uncle is nice but a school is going to want a mechanic, someone who can answer questions that may arise and knows the elements of a car, inside and out.
Same with the other subjects. I know it seems like sometimes schools just take randos off the street but they really don't. While it differs among states, typically you need a bachelor's degree in a subject or equivalent while also taking part in some teaching prep course, usually being an assistant teacher and shadowing someone while in a classroom, so you get some hands-on learning.
One thing that makes it so difficult to hire people like this is the pay. Mechanics make more than teachers. Financial advisers make more. Computer programmers make more. It's difficult to get excellent teachers for these subjects because, well, being
a teacher really sucks. Like, a lot. Pay is done at the state level, while we all pay lip service to how teachers deserve more, none of us want higher taxes to pay for that. While your hours are technically during school time, you actually spend a lot of time out of class, just grading and doing prep. You'll have to dip into your own pockets to buy basic materials a lot of the time, especially if you want to do a special and unique lesson. And also you're teaching children. Whether they're 6 or 16, we do tend to be assholes when at school because a lot of us really didn't want to be there. We didn't have the foresight to know that this was essential to having a good future.
Well said. More teachers, more costs, more supplies, more classes, more homework. With so many subjects already being cut down or cut completely due to time and budget, cost is a big factor- but so is time. Do we cut more classes and programs, and which ones? Or do we pile all this homework on fixing cars and doing taxes and seeing buttons on to already overburdened students and faculty? A 12, 18 your school day? It’s idiocy. Sewing a button, changing a tire or oil or spark plugs, doing taxes- these are skills that take 10-30 minutes if that to learn, and can take thousands of hours of practice to be great at. It makes no sense to teach them in school because you will inevitably need to practice them at home, unless class is just an hour of children doing 1040ez’s or sewing buttons every day. And when it’s done and you’ve mastered this skill- how often will you use it? If you don’t use it regularly, how long will you retain it if you need it later? Calculus takes longer to learn and...
benefits more from instructor led training, English, algebra, so on. And almost all of these skills ARE offered in school. At community college, ROP, and vocational training around the country. So is learning about sewing buttons or changing oil something imperative to know by the time you hit 17, or can you wait until 18 or 19? You can usually take Cc or other classes while in high school too, so if you need a button sewed on that bad, you can take the classes concurrently on your own and still have a teacher. Education doesn’t just benefit the student, it enriches society. I’d rather all graduating children can form opinions, have knowledge of history, math, logic, critical thought, than live in a country where everyone can change their own oil but doesn’t know the basis for why the world is the way it is, and how to hopefully avoid those mistakes themselves. You were taught math, you know the IRS are the tax guys, you did research online in school. Combine them and you know taxes.
Pros and cons of having credit card would be on the bank, ask them
And you don't know how to sew a button... are you disabled in any way?
Also, we have the internet, just use Google
2. Those adults were where you are now 10,20,30+ years ago. They went through their generations version of eating ramen and pulling all nighters. Most kids are either born after their parents lives have stabilized, or right before their parents get it together. They weren’t alive to see when mom didn’t know how to do taxes or dad couldn’t sew a button. Join the scouts if you want to learn basic shit. Take a community college course or attend a free library or parks and Rec Demo. YouTube. It’s all out there
Same with the other subjects. I know it seems like sometimes schools just take randos off the street but they really don't. While it differs among states, typically you need a bachelor's degree in a subject or equivalent while also taking part in some teaching prep course, usually being an assistant teacher and shadowing someone while in a classroom, so you get some hands-on learning.
One thing that makes it so difficult to hire people like this is the pay. Mechanics make more than teachers. Financial advisers make more. Computer programmers make more. It's difficult to get excellent teachers for these subjects because, well, being