Stop this bullshit

Puppies wrestle and step on older dogs and each other all the time. Animals recognize human children are not adult due to proportion of head, body, etc.

It's still a dog. In the wild any male would kill a pup for doing much less.

Wild dogs would treat a pup from their pack like it was their own child and let it play. Domestic dogs treat their human's children like another part of the pack in most cases which is why they often allow themselves to take a lot of punishment

they wouldn't allow themselves to be repeatedly stomped once those pups were over half their size; they'd put them in their place or kill them; especially if the behavior continued. Don't get me wrong, this is obviously not the dog's fault, this is on the parent.

Not if the pup had obvious pup proportions

It’s all somewhat out of context. Abuse may be an accurate word, but it’s a strong word. Dogs are intelligent, but they aren’t human. They may have evolved along with people, but they are still their own species. We forget that often and just think of dogs in human terms. Studies indicate dogs are smart enough to realize people aren’t dogs, but a dog is still a dog. A dog likely wouldn’t maul a puppy for playing- but puppies also tend to pick up social cues that even adult humans miss from dogs so that it seldom gets to that point. A dog, or wild dog relative- would very likely snap at or even bite a puppy if it transgressed too far. Puppies are far more durable than human children you see, already able to walk, reason, and even take care of themselves far sooner. They also tend to be more resilient. So even if he dog doesn’t maul the child- for many parents simply growling, barring teeth- would be enough. It isn’t the dogs fault. It isn’t the child’s fault (human babies aren’t as...

... puppies, especially when it comes to social graces, which puppies start to pick up almost instantly what they aren’t born with. If the dog snaps on the child it is the parents fault. Until you KNOW your child is capable of the control and has the demonstrated ability to interact with animals gently and respectfully, leaving a child alone with, or failing to supervise a child with any animal is cruel and negligent to one or both. A child that young is unpredictable and may not even realize or be able to learn yet that what it is doing is harmful. But- it’s never too early to start instilling lessons in a child. If you want to have a child and an animal- consider it your opportunty and responsibility to start them on a life long path to understanding how to behave and treat animals. Otherwise- choose the kid or the animal because you aren’t responsible enough for both and neither should have to suffer for your short comings.

If it is potentially causing internal damage or broken bones thats abuse, pretty simple.

Well...... it is 1995. Training wheels or nothing is how bicycles come. A parent places their child upon a bicycle to learn to ride. The training wheels have come off but the child is unsure and unstable still so the parent holds them up. The parent senses the child is doing well and no longer needs them and completely lets go. This is “simply abuse” as it could potentially cause broken bones or internal damage? It is 2018. A mother of a young baby is holding it in her arms in bed. The stress and late night feedings get to her. She knows you aren’t supposed to sleep with the bed in with a baby- but also knows her parents did it with her, she sets an alarm for 10 minutes. Is this abuse? A small child sees a kitty. It “pats” the kitty as a friendly gesture. Lacking fine motor control it does it too hard. Is this abuse? By the strictest definition of the word it is not incorrect to say so. But it is linguistically harsh and sets a certain tone. We could debate nuances all day....

Is it abuse when one unknowingly and unintentionally does harm through abusive behavior? Perhaps. The intent or awareness of the abuser doesn’t necessarily matter nor does it change harm to the victim. But- it’s obviously abuse of you are angry with your partner and pull their hair hard enough for them to bleed. But is it abuse of you are combing or playing with their hair and in the process pull it very hard on accident such as a knot or tangle? Most would call it an accident right? Or if you are rough housing or wrestling and go a little too hard is it abuse? There’s more to it than a simple definition, and the use of the language sets a tone. The parent is allowing animal abuse because the parent should know better. The child in general is unaware of the consequences of its actions and may very well just be rough playing and need taught. So to be clear- I’m not saying this should happen or excusing abuse. I am saying that in context- referring to the child as abusing the animal...

casts a hard light on the child and not the parent, and that it is a harsh word to use even if accurate by definition. Picture your partner says they will be home at 8pm, and arrives at 9. You could greet them with “you lied to me.” A true statement but harsh, and not conducive to a happy evening most likely. Even if they have a valid excuse they still lied by definition. But it’s unlikely if they were habitually late you’d tell people “yeah- Jane/John is always lying to me...” save for perhaps as a joke where the humor is the fact you’re using harsher language than required. The second thing was simply that this comment chain is in response to your comment about the simplicity of the thing and not the original issue.

Okay, look I don't know if you are intentionally being an ignorant ass, or just missing the point. I'm not saying that baby is abusing the animal, I'm saying the asshole adult taking the photo rather than stopping the child is. The child doesn't understand, that is the adult's job to teach it. If the adult doesn't and the child ends up hurting an animal and that animal hurts or kills that child in self defense, it's not that animals fault, it's the adult and to a much lesser extent the child (obviously depending on age)

That time of the month is it? No worries. We all have bad days and I forgive you. If you read what I have said I agreed with your point. If you re read your post that I reply to it says nothing of what you just said- only that the definition of abuse is a simple one, so I brought some examples of how it is not always simple, and then quite literally said what you just said here. So I’m not sure if I’m an ass for questioning your definition, or ignorant for agreeing with you? It’s all very unclear but by changing the subject completely and not actually making any examples of what you speak of, you’ve really cleared that up. Anywho- hope your day goes better and please read before replying, it saves us both time and agrivation, and then we don’t have to call each other ignorant- which I will abstain from since I’ve alteady pointed out your reply shows either a lack of reading my comments or a lack of comprehension of plain text and thus wouldn’t be constructive.

Wow, you seriously just completely invalidated everything you have said and may ever say with that first statement. Way to go Trump. I made a logical statement, and you ask if I'm PMSing because I disagree with your BS. Very mature.

You made an illogical retort to an argument based on an analysis of 3 sentences and expected guestyboi to ascertain your belief that it's the parents fault from you simply labeling the act as abuse. That's not only an irrational expectation (the simplest option is usually the trust. Guestyboi assumes the simplest explanation behind your comments) but it is also irrationally hostile which underscoreboi responded in kind to using an overplayed dismissal of your mental state.

I did actually debate saying the first part, but then I decided why not, it would probably rub you the wrong way regardless of your gender (which I do not know but assume by your reply that you may be female as a male would likely point out they can’t have a period), and you seem to just want to be angry so it was my gift to you, to validate your anger and give you a legitimate excuse to get riled up. You’re welcome. also of note- I have invalidated anything I have or will ever say? An overly dramatic statement for such an infraction no? Do you not believe a person can change? That in 10 years even if I were as terrible as you seem to think I am, that I couldn’t work past it? How sad your world is. It also illustrates the point I was satirically making which is something crawled up your shorts because you seem to just be easily agitated and wanting to fight. You also never stated how you disagree with me? The only statement you wrote were all in agreement with what I have written...

There has been no dorect contradiction between our arguments? There has been no disagreement, and you’d know that if you actually read anything, which is ironic that you would say we disagree in response to a post where I not only state agreement with you, but also ask you to please actually read things before commenting. I have not downvotes any of your posts and yet you have down voted several of mine. Yet I am the baby? Babies throw tantrums and don’t articulate what they are saying. You throw tantrums and have yet to even say what it is you think we supposedly disagree about or anything of substance to back up your opinions. I won’t prod you anymore. Or try not to. You obviously are having a rough time and lack the mind set or capability for intelligent conversation. Best of luck with whatever is going on with you, or with life if this is just who you are and nothing is wrong. I’m sure it will be ok, and I’ll still consider what you say on a case by case basis and not by “forever.”

@bethorien- you made me laugh, and I appreciate it. Not because you “backed me up,” but because I know that you speak what is true to you from your vantage, and that means more to me than having someone just “get your back” right or wrong. Thank you.

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Oh man. If I was in that situation I would've gone for the eyes.

Your sister in law needs to get it together and stop buying dogs. WTF.

@anthracite- I really do too!!!@bethorien-i should have backhanded his bitchass but I got couple of good knuckles to his face before his two bros jumped in. Lucky he is a little bitch an is not gonna go after me to sue for “damages” to his face from my knuckles digging in an tearing a couple of good size holes in his face. @1Guest- I went for what I could get. He’s little bitch when it comes to fighting. @2Guest- I really wish she would stop gettin dogs!