@mialinay it's a troll account, not sure how it hasn't been permanently banned yet. Check their historic comments, they're literally all either blatantly rude, racist, or antisemetic.
There are kids who legitimately cant get vaccinated for real medical or genetic reasons. Historically, these kids weren't really at risk anymore because most people were getting their kids vaccinated... however, now things are becoming very dangerous for this portion of our population because some overhyped soccer mom decided she could google her own 'facts' and decide she knows more than literally every physician on the planet. Fuck you lady.
Heart disease (a majority from a combination of poor diet and insufficient activity) is the number one preventative killer in America. You aren’t required to eat right or exercise because it’s your body, your choice- and realistically, since everyone has different nutritional needs and health etc. - there’s no way to monitor or enforce healthy food or healthy exercise- either of which can be unhealthy if you have too much, not enough, or the wrong kind.
I’ll put this simple for the kids in the back. You have the choice to get drunk. An altered state of perception with many health risks and negative effects- because you like the way it feels. Your body, your choice. Now: get drunk, get behind the wheel of a car. Your body, your car. That’s illegal. Why? Because you could and are likely to hurt somebody else. To take away THEIR choice and THEIR right to just live their life. Not getting vaccinated is fine if you plan to live in a remote community of like minded folk with no contact with the outside world- just like if you own 40 acres of private land you can get drunk and drive around on it and maybe kill your self. Once your choice endangers other’s it isn’t just about you.
Yeah! Tell them. And they suck the blood from goats! And.... oh wait. Damn man. I think we got mixed up. We’re thinking about Chupacabras. Well. That’s life.
@harperfan7 what are you even talking about? This isn’t a liberal/conservative issue. No one is trying to deprive you the right to watch your children contract polio and die or become paralyzed, or become sterilized by measles or mumps or whatever. However, the general population is asking you not to deprive them the right to avoid preventable disease.
We have a great luxury, living in a time when people don’t regularly die or become maimed by disease.
Lol I just took a quick look at your account full of hate, stupidity and downvotes and decided that I won't waste any more time arguing with you. Do some research. That's all.
(and by that I mean legit websites like the centers for disease control and prevention (CDC) or the world health organization (WHO) or national health service (NHS) or he National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID). Because they know their shit)
I've done the research; more than you have, apparently. Vaccines don't have to go through the testing that other medical things go through. There is a special court just for vaccine-related injuries/deaths; you don't hear about this because they don't want you to. The vaccines come from china, and big surprise, YOU DONT KNOW WHATS IN THEM. The vaccine industry is HUGE; these people are making massive profits, and they keep pushing more and more vaccines on kids, including having them take a bunch at once. There are loads and loads of people who can tell you horror stories about how their kids got fucked up or dead from vaccines. All these diseases were on their way out the door BEFORE vaccines, just from education and hygiene; the rates didn't noticeably drop after the introduction of vaccines.
Naturally you'll want sources, but you're just gonna have to do some research.
Problem with your challenge is, I have done research. And not just the sort where I simply confirm what I already believe. I had to make certain there wasn’t a risk to my son.
It was important that I investigate both sides so I could understand what I needed to do to protect my child. I went into the research concerned that vaccines might hurt my child.
So I have yet to see any legitimate research, conducted by actual scientists, using unbiased methodology that supports ANY of the claims you made above. However, I have seen a good deal of actual research that objectively refutes the claims you’ve made.
Don’t tell me to do some research; when your sources aren’t real/accurate/legitimate.
Honey, liberals aren’t trying to do this. People who don’t want to watch their children suffer and die are trying to stop you from taking their right to healthy communities.
You are here whining about “your right” to abuse your children and endanger everyone else’s and you don’t even see that no one is trying to steal your rights, they are protecting their rights.
If you don’t want to be a part of society than leave it, don’t whine about how you don’t have the right to explicitly ruin everyone else’s life.
Why do you want the right to allow your children to get deathly ill from preventable disease?
We already covered this. Sorry guys. Harper gets confused without the meds. Whenever Harper says liberals- they mean Chupacabras. I still don’t know that we can blame this entirely on the Chupacabra lobby (who dislike the taste of vaccinated blood,) but I think we can all agree the Chupacabras are involved.
Okay. So “political agendas” aside, Why do you value the right to watch watch your children get sick from preventable disease?
Also, what do you say to staunch conservatives who firmly support vaccination?
Also Harper, maybe you don’t have kids and that’s why you don’t care if they die.
I have a kid, and I am grateful every day that I don’t have to worry about disease crippling or killing him (they way parents did before they had access to vaccines).
I don’t know where you devise this crap about “fake empathy” or wtf that even means, but you sir, do not get to have rights at the expense of every one else’s rights.
Yeah this isnt a left or right, liberal or conservative thing. Everyone pretty universally, strongly agrees with vaccines. If you dont want your children to get them, fine, they're not allowed in the public school system. Also, if they end up contracting one of the aforementioned preventable diseases and becoming very ill, you've accepted the fact that you may be prosecuted for child endangerment. If your child infects another child who for actual medical or genetic reasons cant get vaccinated and that child becomes gravely ill or dies, theres a good chance you're going to get sued and a strong possibility a judge will rule for jail time or some pretty insane fines. You have your rights, that doesnt waive your responsibilities.
If you want me to simplify this even more and give you a straight forward comparison--smoking in public places is becoming illegal in many, many, many cities. This has nothing to do with anyone caring if you kill yourself with cigarettes, but people have a right not to have to inhale your second smoke and become sick from your self-destructive decision. When your decisions start hurting other people this becomes more than just an argument for individual rights versus states rights.
I value my right to not have untested, unregulated chinese vaccines unnecessarily put into my children for (what I'm starting to suspect are) intentionally malevolent reasons. Ever seen VAXXED? Loads of not only healthy, but unusually intelligent and capable kids who weren't vaccinated. You've all bought into the propaganda that not only are vaccines safe, they're necessary. They're neither.
As I explained above, disease rates were already dropping significantly BEFORE vaccinations became a common thing, and the rates didn't drop any faster afterwards. More harmful products you've been conditioned to think you need for capitalistic reasons.
My kids will be perfectly healthy. Also, I would never put my children through public school, so you've got nothing to worry about (not that you would anyway).
Yeah this isnt propaganda. I have friends who are actual physicians and surgeons, who studied this stuff for years, and who know exactly what's in vaccines. I've also read thousands of pages of RD papers on the actual creation and research behind MMR and most other vaccinations on the world market. I'm not conditioned to think anything, I'm someone who actually understands the science and who has read through the research. Organizations like the NVC exist to provide help and compensation to the rare portions of the population who experience reactions to vaccines, correct. However, in 99.9998% of these cases it's due to allergic reactions gone awry. In the other .00002% of documented cases it's usually due to compromised immune systems due 5o HIV/AIDS. The DPH is the overseeing body that audits imported vaccinations for use in the populace, and they're a governing body of practices physicians and researchers. I believe in your right to your opinion but you seem sorely misinformed.
Also not sure what you mean by 'capitalistic reasons'. Most readily available vaccines cost pennies on the dollar and the companies behind them usually have a -20% to -80% TCNR after distribution. Vaccinations are physician recommended and rarely marketed by large pharmaceutical companies.
WHOA! Wait a second here. So- You decided to research Harpers un cited statements like he said- and instead of the same website from a discredited doctor or non educated stay at home mommy blog for the anti Illuminati coalition for moon landing truth- you got FACTS? That’s basically cheating.
I think you just proved the point interesting. This is the kind of shit those filthy vaccine companies and doctors do. Researching things, using peer review, applying common sense... those are EXACTLY the things Harper is talking about. How can we raise kids on well researched facts? You’d have to check things before you do them.
And oh yeah... just because the overwhelming majority of doctors SAY vaccines aren’t harmful we should believe them? If all your friends jumped off a bridge would you too? Don’t be a sheep. The capitalist machine tore down the cigarette companies for profit too. They said they were unhealthy, but people smoked for centuries before those labels went on cigarettes and they didn’t all die did they? How many people from those generations lived to be 90+? It’s clear these doctors and their “reproducible proof” are beholden to the money!
And then they said lead paint was harmful. Many people’s parents, probably harperfan- grew up with lead paint and were fine. But there was profit to be had. They needed the lead and chemicals from cigarettes and paint to make vaccines! Don’t your get it interesting?! I cant cite sources because it’s all obviously true. But google it. You’ll see.
Also, to clarify on your statement about the fact that "disease rates were already dropping before vaccines became common place" Harper, do you know why that is? Because the pool of children infected with the various diseases that vaccines protect against were dying left and right. If 400,000 of 500,000 children die that doesnt mean theres a lower concentration of diseases infecting children, the rate of infection in the pool of infected remains the same, the number of reported infected simply goes down for the next census because 80% of the previous population of reported infected died. There wasnt an 80% reduction in spread, there was a 20% YOY ROS (Year over Year) (Rate of Survival).
Interesting and guest have done a great job using actual research and explaining things. Just need to add one important thing.
Many vaccines, including the oft cited MMR are in fact, intentionally, NOT patented. Meaning that no one is making money on these. This isn’t bout profits and capitalism. Because there isn’t a profit to be made. Treating a patient with a deadly disease is much more profitable than giving a vaccine. Moreover, vaccines are giving during well-patient visits which means the doctor can’t bill for it. The patient doesn’t pay and the insurance company only provides a stipend to pay for costs.
Let me say it again slow: NO ONE IS MAKING MONEY OFF THE VACCINE NOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE VACCINE.
Harper, go into the world and seek some information that doesn’t simply support your confirmation bias. Do some actual balanced research. And before you say it, I have. I know about Vaxxed(I remember when it came out)—you want to talk about propaganda!!
We have a great luxury, living in a time when people don’t regularly die or become maimed by disease.
(and by that I mean legit websites like the centers for disease control and prevention (CDC) or the world health organization (WHO) or national health service (NHS) or he National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID). Because they know their shit)
Naturally you'll want sources, but you're just gonna have to do some research.
It was important that I investigate both sides so I could understand what I needed to do to protect my child. I went into the research concerned that vaccines might hurt my child.
So I have yet to see any legitimate research, conducted by actual scientists, using unbiased methodology that supports ANY of the claims you made above. However, I have seen a good deal of actual research that objectively refutes the claims you’ve made.
Don’t tell me to do some research; when your sources aren’t real/accurate/legitimate.
You are here whining about “your right” to abuse your children and endanger everyone else’s and you don’t even see that no one is trying to steal your rights, they are protecting their rights.
If you don’t want to be a part of society than leave it, don’t whine about how you don’t have the right to explicitly ruin everyone else’s life.
Why do you want the right to allow your children to get deathly ill from preventable disease?
Also, what do you say to staunch conservatives who firmly support vaccination?
I have a kid, and I am grateful every day that I don’t have to worry about disease crippling or killing him (they way parents did before they had access to vaccines).
I don’t know where you devise this crap about “fake empathy” or wtf that even means, but you sir, do not get to have rights at the expense of every one else’s rights.
As I explained above, disease rates were already dropping significantly BEFORE vaccinations became a common thing, and the rates didn't drop any faster afterwards. More harmful products you've been conditioned to think you need for capitalistic reasons.
My kids will be perfectly healthy. Also, I would never put my children through public school, so you've got nothing to worry about (not that you would anyway).
Many vaccines, including the oft cited MMR are in fact, intentionally, NOT patented. Meaning that no one is making money on these. This isn’t bout profits and capitalism. Because there isn’t a profit to be made. Treating a patient with a deadly disease is much more profitable than giving a vaccine. Moreover, vaccines are giving during well-patient visits which means the doctor can’t bill for it. The patient doesn’t pay and the insurance company only provides a stipend to pay for costs.
Let me say it again slow: NO ONE IS MAKING MONEY OFF THE VACCINE NOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE VACCINE.
Harper, go into the world and seek some information that doesn’t simply support your confirmation bias. Do some actual balanced research. And before you say it, I have. I know about Vaxxed(I remember when it came out)—you want to talk about propaganda!!