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And My Dad taught me to shoot a gun but he also taught me how to bring a person down with out killing them. Knee caps hurt like a bitch when they been shot with a shot gun.
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My grandparents always mentioned their parents keeping randos off their respective farms via rocksalt-filled shotgun shells. Stung like hell but couldn't kill anyone.
I disagree. One, shooting a limb is very difficult. Also, if criminals get to act uncivilized and still be considered civilized then I opt out. If someone breaks into my house he is going down in a manner that reduces risk to myself and others.
I will tell you like my Dad told me. Everyone thinks it is easier to aim for the torso. But people don’t realize if you don’t aim right most you might do is really piss them off.
But lower your aim just a few notches down and at worst you hit them were it REALLY HURTS the crotch. At best the knee caps making them having to drop. Because you can’t run with out knee caps.
If you are prepared to pull the trigger, you had better be prepared to take their life. Real life is not like the movies. If you put a round through a kneecap, it's highly probable that you damage their popliteal artery which could bleed then out in minutes.
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Even highly trained professionals get excited when they are about go shoot a human. The chances of a home defender keeping their composure enough to pull off a well placed knee shot in a surprise scenario like that is almost zero.
Also in many jurisdictions if you don't shoot to kill you arent considered truly in threat of death because if you had time to aim for a limb you had time to run. This can make your defense not considered self defense
Sorry just unless I am truly see no possible way out I just can’t kill someone. It goes against all my beliefs. And I not talking bible here though yeah bible says thou shall not kill and what not. But I personally couldn’t live with myself knowing that I took a life when I could of tried to just stop them any other way. I would rather cut off their legs than kill them. Yeah they could still find a way but unless you are the black knight I doubt you will try to come after someone Who cut off your legs for you trying to rob them.
And yeah you all seem tough but till you hold a life in your hands you will see how hard it is to aim and kill someone. And when your life is on the line you can’t look away.
If you ever worked on a farm or lived a good distance outside of town you got that taking a life worry out really early. Also the bible has verses allowing killing for protection and war.
I would rather waste all my bullets but one on trying to wound them to the point of unable to hurt me or others than aim and kill with one shot.
I say but one because if god forbid it does truly come to it I will take a life but it will haunt me for the rest of my life so I will be damned if I take a life just because it is easier.
1. Texas born country girl right here. Learned to shoot on my family’s 54 acres.
2. I know bible has stipulations to killing I am a Sunday school teacher.
3. TRUST ME I never ever got over killing. My family hunts ok let them. We eat the meat they get, that is all and fine.
You ask me personally to kill you can go screw yourself. I still have nightmares of being a little kid and accidentally killing a kitten because I tripped and fell on it. I will NEVER KILL unless I have to.
4. Do I think some people deserve to die by all means yes. Will I pull the switch FUCK NO!
So trust me this will never be different. God forbid zombies become real I will be the crazy bitch with the armless jawless zombies tethered to the front lawn.
it probably wont. it will bother you for a few years until your brain justifies it internally as a defense mechanism. then on occasion it will bother you but youll generally be fine.
But you know what will really fuck up your life? A bullet in a vital organ because you shot a guy in the leg so he pulled out a gun in response and shot to kill.
Youre better off running from the house and dialing 911 and hoping they leave most of your good stuff than endangering yourself trying to VATS 5% some fucks leg when you have a 100% on their torso.
Trust me that will never leave me. But if you asked me would I kill to save someone else in a heartbeat.
But if it’s just me and this person and they are trying to kill me I will do everything in my power to stop them before I have to kill them.
And when all is said and done I will probably curl into a ball and slip into insanity because I had to take someone’s life. This is the truth I know myself more than I know anything in this world and I know it will break me. So go ahead about your little oh you can do it you can kill someone when your life on the line or you’ll do it. Well you need to get something straight I will take every step to not have to kill someone and if it does come to it I will kill them. But you can bet that it will destroy me. It will last me my whole life.
Non-lethal shots are illegal and stupid, I won't allow anyone to steal months and years of my life, and I have no way of knowing that the criminal didn't or isn't on the way to kill my dogs, rape my sister, and then use my truck in a rampage that will kill and injure dozens more.
There is a self preservation aspect to this scenario. At exactly what point could you determine that you are safe as long as you let this criminal continue about their business.
Depends on where you live too. I'm in the metro area of NY and if I defend myself with a firearm I will be considered the criminal. People hear gun here and flip out.
Anyone who enters a residence for the purpose of burglary should be considered potentially a killer. They came in with you obviously home, absolutely shoot to kill, they dont care if you're in the house and as such are taking the risk of having to kill you to get away. If they brought a weapon, they planned on using it. This is my argument for lethal force against armed robbers; if they have means of lethal force, they forfeit the right to deny it to their potential victims.
If I was on a jury that was deciding the fate of a homeowner who killed a burglar, I would have zero issue with letting him off. No one has the right to enter your home uninvited, let alone to rob you. You cross that threshold, the consequences are all yours and deadly force is always a potential consequence. You made a choice.
The moment you broke in to my home, you declared that you did not care for the law, that you refused to be bound by a code of honor civilization had agreed to. Who’s life is worth more here- you and your family, minding your business and the law in your home- or a criminal? How do I KNOW you are just here to rob me? Even if you tell me- the fact you broke into my home is strong indication I shouldn’t trust you isn’t it? And if I’m holding a gun- are you really going to tell the truth anyway if your plan was to murder me and rape my family then kill them? Most people likely wouldn’t admit it at that point would they?
Now- it’s circumstantial. Maybe this person is harmless and has mental difficulties or a processing condition. Maybe they thought it was their home by mistake. Maybe they are drunk and wandered in. A healthy 24yo likely isn’t justified gunning down a naked 72yo they am clearly see is unarmed at 20 ft away. Shooting a man from 600 yards through a scope for stepping over your property line PROBABLY isn’t justified. Shooting a man in the back as he runs off your porch without having hurt anyone- probably not justified. I say PROBABLY because there’s a million ways it could go. A million factors to consider.
If that person has a knife or gun- a split second of hesitation and you could be dead. If you try a “non lethal” take down- even if they aren’t armed- they could take you down instead, cripple, maim, or kill you. It doesn’t take a lot to accidentally beat someone to death- it’s been done on accident with one single “lucky” punch. And the same goes for you trying to take them down. Adrenaline is pumping- the struggle goes to the floor and you pin their chest or throat and they are dead. Just like that. They fall and hit their head, blah blah.
Tl:dr- If you take someone’s life EVER- it should be because you had serious fear in that moment for your own safety or the safety of those you protect. It should be because you had no other reasonable alternatives that didn’t compromise your own safety or have unacceptable odds of failure. Your own life will almost always be worth more to you than the life of a stranger- and when that stranger is the one who created the situation to begin with- sacrificing your own life for some moral high ground is naive idealism. It belongs in a philosophy class. And if all the “morally decent folk” give their lives up for their morals- the world is just full of killers and the high morality does with the last of the “true believers.” You have a right to defend yourself if you have reasonable cause to feel threatened.
I live in a small town adjacent to what I call "drug dealer drive". It is where 3 of the towns known drug dealers live and sell from. Violent crime is rare here though, mainly because town us full of farmers, who all have guns and tractors with a backhoe. Nighttime gunfire us written off as dealing with wild hogs. Cops write traffic tickets; county is famous for a "suicide" in th 70's. Guy shot himself 5 times in the back with bolt action 22 mag rifle. You get the idea.
@inspectora- and that’s part of the sadness of all of it- humans really can’t relate to things they’ve never experienced. We can try- we can use the closest thing we THINK compares on some scale from our experience- but empathy only goes so far. I’ve lived in small towns where everyone knew everyone, almost no “real” crime- lots of guns. I’ve lived in the worlds biggest cities too. They’re very different places- and the world changes. At 12 I was old enough to carry a .22 rifle. We’d rode down to the hardware store on our bikes- put up a couple dollars we’d earned doing chores and work the weeks before- rode off with a box of ammo and a little bag of popcorn each.
We’d go to my “backyard” and we’d shoot cans and such or find some old logging site and so on- ruffles on our backs as we hiked and rode. It was fine. Would I say that makes sense for a kid in Dallas or New York city? No. One size doesn’t fit all. But we all have to have a little more respect for each other- understand the impact to people’s lives our decisions make. And saddest of all- we wouldnt need so many laws if folks had “common sense.”
And My Dad taught me to shoot a gun but he also taught me how to bring a person down with out killing them. Knee caps hurt like a bitch when they been shot with a shot gun.
But lower your aim just a few notches down and at worst you hit them were it REALLY HURTS the crotch. At best the knee caps making them having to drop. Because you can’t run with out knee caps.
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Even highly trained professionals get excited when they are about go shoot a human. The chances of a home defender keeping their composure enough to pull off a well placed knee shot in a surprise scenario like that is almost zero.
And yeah you all seem tough but till you hold a life in your hands you will see how hard it is to aim and kill someone. And when your life is on the line you can’t look away.
I say but one because if god forbid it does truly come to it I will take a life but it will haunt me for the rest of my life so I will be damned if I take a life just because it is easier.
2. I know bible has stipulations to killing I am a Sunday school teacher.
3. TRUST ME I never ever got over killing. My family hunts ok let them. We eat the meat they get, that is all and fine.
You ask me personally to kill you can go screw yourself. I still have nightmares of being a little kid and accidentally killing a kitten because I tripped and fell on it. I will NEVER KILL unless I have to.
4. Do I think some people deserve to die by all means yes. Will I pull the switch FUCK NO!
So trust me this will never be different. God forbid zombies become real I will be the crazy bitch with the armless jawless zombies tethered to the front lawn.
But you know what will really fuck up your life? A bullet in a vital organ because you shot a guy in the leg so he pulled out a gun in response and shot to kill.
Youre better off running from the house and dialing 911 and hoping they leave most of your good stuff than endangering yourself trying to VATS 5% some fucks leg when you have a 100% on their torso.
But if it’s just me and this person and they are trying to kill me I will do everything in my power to stop them before I have to kill them.
And when all is said and done I will probably curl into a ball and slip into insanity because I had to take someone’s life. This is the truth I know myself more than I know anything in this world and I know it will break me. So go ahead about your little oh you can do it you can kill someone when your life on the line or you’ll do it. Well you need to get something straight I will take every step to not have to kill someone and if it does come to it I will kill them. But you can bet that it will destroy me. It will last me my whole life.