I think he's trying to say 0.05 *percent* mortality rate, which is patently asinine, but maybe he's actually trying to say 5%? He did write 5%. But I have become conditioned to doubt anything reasonable that he types lol
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Either way, it doesn't matter. Science really doesn't know yet, and won't know for a while. Johns Hopkins University is keeping track of it all (with all the reasons we won't know enough until later listed at the top of the page):
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coronavirus.jhu*edu/data/mortality
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I have other links if anyone is interested in learning about the science behind tracing the SARS-CoV-2 mortality rate.
Be sure to account for inflated death count caused by improperly lumping other causes of death to Kung Flu, because I highly doubt that cancer and the regular flu magically disappeared this year.
Hey @famousone, have you been sure to account for the godamn absolute lack of testing in the US right now ? Or do you only adjust for the inflated numbers you "know for a fact" (which I "know for a fact ;)" you just "know for an intuition") when it suits you ?
And aside from that, how blind can you be to reality ? Every goddamn country on earth agrees on the fact that it's a big deal. Every goddamn country on earth understands that you need to flatten the curve because the mortality rate spikes when the number of infected increases because then the healthcare system can't keep up. So all of a sudden you have an increased amount of infected people AND an increased mortality rate. I'll let you do the math on that one. Medical personnel across the globe are overwhelmed and will tell you "STFU and stay at home".
But are we supposed to listen to your nonsense because you want to be able to go get a haircut ? fuck out of here.
This all reminds me; I gotta re-establish communications with a homie from HS. He's the second smartest person I know, ironically he decided to go to John Hopkins; he made the 30 under 30 list a few years back... last I checked he was devising water treatment methods for impoverished areas... I'ma trust him before I trust any of ya'll.
My homie from High School turned out to be Giorgio Armani's grandson. Another homie's dad is in jail for helping run one of the largest pyramid schemes in the Southern Hemisphere
We do have testing in the States. That's how we confirmed that the model we used to justify this test run ot fascism was wrong. The antibody test is actually telling us that millions more may have already been infected, lowering the mortality rate even more.
Seeing as how most hospitals are nowhere near capacity and most of the emergency equipment went unused, nevermind that two of the hardest hit states (NY and Cali) have been inflating numbers by counting traumatic or other sickness as Covid, or simply listing thousands of deaths without even testing the corpses, I'll bet that the medical system would be able to manage with certain supports.
I am medical personal, and I'm saying that we were wrong.
Lmao what alternate reality do you live in ? Nurses are craft scrubs from whatever they can find, there's definitely not enough respirators, not enough PPE and the fucking states are smuggling equipment on the down low and only announcing it once it fucking reaches destination because otherwise for some fucking reason the feds try to intercept it.
But yeah, everything is peachy.
In a few cities, maybe. But most of those new hospitals are empty, the vast majority if respirators were unused and unnecessary, and any kind of smuggling is by it's very nature illicit. Considering that cross state crimes are federal purview....
Oh, and there's a 0.05 percent mortality rate, when we were acting to flatten the curve of a 5 percent mortality rate, so there's that too. More people die of the seasonal flu most years. Are we going to lockdown the entire country to combat heart disease and car accidents next?
I live in reality, and shit ain't peachy. We're looking at impending economic depression, mass starvation, and a permanent loss of liberty and justice.
It's been both. Just look at the authoritarians tripping over themselves to fuck over bars, gun shops, property owners, business owners, and even people just trying to walk in the park with their wife.
Any idea what the threat will be next week so I can study up? Biden maybe? He did ask to release all the documents relating to any investigation relating to accusations against him. That transparency has got to threaten some liberty or another.
I have been talking about authoritarians, the economy, and the ChiComs. My tune has not changed from last week, or the week before that, and the week before that was before new information came in about the damned flu.
Your tune hasn’t changed in months. It’s one threat to liberty after another. There is term for someone who perceives everything as a threat.
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And, dude, ChiComs in not the preferred nomenclature. “Red Chinese”, please.
What else do you call it when people are calling the Gestapo on eachother? What's the word for when people are calling for law-abiding citizens to be disarmed? Or calling for invaders to be welcomed with open arms at the cost of born and naturalized citizens alike? Removing media that goes against a hostile government's propaganda?
The ChiComs have allowed pandemic after pandemic to tear through the world, and the wannabe tyrants grow bolder by the week.
Fucking Canada just decided to unilaterally outlaw MSRs, while their tinpot wannabe explicitly said they planned to criminalize every single man and woman with the audacity to own the most effective means of self-defense shy of precognition or mind control.
I’d call that mild paranoia. Maybe citizens don’t want their fellows to be part of the problem that could get them killed. Maybe immigrants are being unfairly portrayed; the stereotype for them used to be small business owner until someone needed a faceless enemy. Maybe China can’t control everything going on within their borders any more than the US. Maybe the Canadians don’t want those guns in their country. You have to be careful when you reach a point where you believe that you are the only one who has their eyes open to the Truth. It indicates the opposite.
I don't mean to be a dick about this, but for somebody objecting authority constantly, you have a really strange way of physically showing it; given your... ahem... profession.
We are not against immigrants, we are against invaders and thieves.
China can't control everything, except the narrative and available knowledge. There's an established trend of them fucking up and not admitting to it until the bodies are long cold, if they ever do.
Inherent rights exist independently from the whims of blackface wearing dictators and their mobs, but that tinpot isn't even trying to hide behind the lie of public safety, as they've yet to call a vote (not that it would matter) or even explain objectively why the average Canadian should be treated like a criminal over the actions of few. And they're doing it using laws that too many are trying to bring down south.
And I'm not "the only one with my eyes open", never claimed to be. You thinking I'm special in ideology just exposes what kind of bubble you're in.
My job is to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies. I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I didn’t say you were special. I said people with your condition feel like they are the only ones who can see the Truth. Canada gets to do what they want. China gets to do what they want. Who the fuck is invading us? Poor people so desperate for a better life they will put themselves in danger to get it? And don’t give me that dumb shit about them all being rapists.
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You are a guardian of freedom? That is what I believe you kids call “cringe.” You want to be a legend in your mind, cool. Keep it there.
Canada is a glimpse of what authoritarians want here. China's failures have killed millions of even their own people and, most recently, wrecked global supply lines and the word economy. There needs to be accountability and consequences.
Maybe the illegals are poor people looking for a better life, but Uncle Sam can't afford to give them amenities and benefits that even born and naturalized citizens don't get, or even the ones that we do. Regardless, there's no reason to suffer the rapists, murderers, drug runners, or fraudsters just to accommodate people who have no business being in the States anyways. Why are we the only ones not allowed to control our immigration? There's a legal pathway that vets and controls the flow. Use that.
I was quoting the Oath of Enlistment and the Soldier's Creed. The oath and creed that was drilled into us, that we are to abide by for the rest of our lives, and that makes us wholly better than any terrorist, irregular, or other force.
Because trying to keep a discussion running on 8 different topics at once just makes it run around in circles and FS has a character count limit. You look at the world as a place to fear but to many this pandemic has shown that we have common enemies and we aren’t all out to get each other. I’ve known a lot of people like you over the years so I can tell you read everything I put down here as merely a list of things you must refute because you are inflexible in thought and driven to be the holder of Truth. The ChiComs? Really? Is this 1968?
Common enemies? The enemies we already had didn't go away. This very crisis was caused, concealed, and taken advantage of by China. Iran is still fucking up the ME and shipping lanes. Civil liberties and inherent rights are under attack under the guise of public health.
I'll stop calling them ChiComs when they stop being either Chinese, or Communist. Or both.
China does have a real long history of being complete assholes and fucking things up for other people, that's undeniable. It's also undeniable a bit over 20% of the illegal immigration comes from 5 countries in SE Asia, which is slightly more than the amount that comes from Mexico, Central America, South America and the islands... and roughly the same as the amount that comes from Eastern Europe.
Just sayin'. <_<
I grew up with a lot of Chinese and Vietnamese refugees. I’m very aware of the slurs. But, whatever you want to think. You’re the one who is going to sound like a racist asshole, not me.
No way scat, I'm sure NOTHING sounds less racist than a POS voluntarily using degrading slurs to describe all and any citizens of a different country, then acting dumb about being racist, then maintaining the slurs he uses are "not racists, they just describe facts about them", and finally ends his argument with "nothing against the brown ones in particular". /sarcasm.
@famous, it's true that the CCP needs to be reigned in. It's also true that hating all chinese people because of it is pretty fucking dumb. They don't get to chose their leaders you know ? They also don't get to protest you know (see tiananmen square).
Hate the CCP all you want, it would probably be the first time I would agree with you on something, don't hate on every person who didn't chose them, didn't chose to be born there. Don't let hate guide you, use your brain for a change, it'll get you places.
I explicitly said that I consider ethnic Chinese and Chinese nationals to be a separate entity from the ChiComs. It's like none of you have any reading comprehension, as all of my points still stand, but you elect to call me racist and then fuck off as though the word proves me wrong.
Typical of a leftist.
Is "American Democrat" a racist phrase too? How "Russian Oligarch", or "Estonian Fascist"?
@famousone you DID literally just categorize a diverse political group with literally one word (leftist). I mean, I'm pretty sure that was for the sake of brevity, but you did do it, it's in writing right there.
“Leftist” is the trendy way to describe people who are against you. You have to keep it vague now because if you use a label like Democrat they can reply with facts regarding their stance to refute the label.
Oh no, I would say Democrat, but that would be exclusionary of the socialists, "anti"-fa, and Green New Deal dumbasses. Don't worry, there's plenty on the Right I don't like either, but they don't have "Call thing that isn't racist 'racist' because I can't address the argument" in their broad playbook.
For the record I said the term was racist not you are a racist; I know you aren’t. The problem is you don’t get to define what people find racist. I can say the term “alcoholic dirt-worshipping savages” isn’t racist toward the indigenous people of the Americas because I don’t recognize the disparate tribes as one race may be reasonable to me. However, I still sound racist when I say it.
No, you don't sound racist. Race is not culture, or politics, or nationality, or religion, or anything but one part of a person or people's genetic makeup.
I will not perpetuate the lie by censoring myself to abide by it.
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Either way, it doesn't matter. Science really doesn't know yet, and won't know for a while. Johns Hopkins University is keeping track of it all (with all the reasons we won't know enough until later listed at the top of the page):
,
coronavirus.jhu*edu/data/mortality
,
I have other links if anyone is interested in learning about the science behind tracing the SARS-CoV-2 mortality rate.
And aside from that, how blind can you be to reality ? Every goddamn country on earth agrees on the fact that it's a big deal. Every goddamn country on earth understands that you need to flatten the curve because the mortality rate spikes when the number of infected increases because then the healthcare system can't keep up. So all of a sudden you have an increased amount of infected people AND an increased mortality rate. I'll let you do the math on that one. Medical personnel across the globe are overwhelmed and will tell you "STFU and stay at home".
But are we supposed to listen to your nonsense because you want to be able to go get a haircut ? fuck out of here.
Seeing as how most hospitals are nowhere near capacity and most of the emergency equipment went unused, nevermind that two of the hardest hit states (NY and Cali) have been inflating numbers by counting traumatic or other sickness as Covid, or simply listing thousands of deaths without even testing the corpses, I'll bet that the medical system would be able to manage with certain supports.
I am medical personal, and I'm saying that we were wrong.
But yeah, everything is peachy.
Oh, and there's a 0.05 percent mortality rate, when we were acting to flatten the curve of a 5 percent mortality rate, so there's that too. More people die of the seasonal flu most years. Are we going to lockdown the entire country to combat heart disease and car accidents next?
I live in reality, and shit ain't peachy. We're looking at impending economic depression, mass starvation, and a permanent loss of liberty and justice.
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And, dude, ChiComs in not the preferred nomenclature. “Red Chinese”, please.
The ChiComs have allowed pandemic after pandemic to tear through the world, and the wannabe tyrants grow bolder by the week.
Fucking Canada just decided to unilaterally outlaw MSRs, while their tinpot wannabe explicitly said they planned to criminalize every single man and woman with the audacity to own the most effective means of self-defense shy of precognition or mind control.
China can't control everything, except the narrative and available knowledge. There's an established trend of them fucking up and not admitting to it until the bodies are long cold, if they ever do.
Inherent rights exist independently from the whims of blackface wearing dictators and their mobs, but that tinpot isn't even trying to hide behind the lie of public safety, as they've yet to call a vote (not that it would matter) or even explain objectively why the average Canadian should be treated like a criminal over the actions of few. And they're doing it using laws that too many are trying to bring down south.
And I'm not "the only one with my eyes open", never claimed to be. You thinking I'm special in ideology just exposes what kind of bubble you're in.
My job is to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies. I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
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You are a guardian of freedom? That is what I believe you kids call “cringe.” You want to be a legend in your mind, cool. Keep it there.
Maybe the illegals are poor people looking for a better life, but Uncle Sam can't afford to give them amenities and benefits that even born and naturalized citizens don't get, or even the ones that we do. Regardless, there's no reason to suffer the rapists, murderers, drug runners, or fraudsters just to accommodate people who have no business being in the States anyways. Why are we the only ones not allowed to control our immigration? There's a legal pathway that vets and controls the flow. Use that.
I was quoting the Oath of Enlistment and the Soldier's Creed. The oath and creed that was drilled into us, that we are to abide by for the rest of our lives, and that makes us wholly better than any terrorist, irregular, or other force.
I'll stop calling them ChiComs when they stop being either Chinese, or Communist. Or both.
Just sayin'. <_<
Meant for scat
@famous, it's true that the CCP needs to be reigned in. It's also true that hating all chinese people because of it is pretty fucking dumb. They don't get to chose their leaders you know ? They also don't get to protest you know (see tiananmen square).
Hate the CCP all you want, it would probably be the first time I would agree with you on something, don't hate on every person who didn't chose them, didn't chose to be born there. Don't let hate guide you, use your brain for a change, it'll get you places.
Typical of a leftist.
Is "American Democrat" a racist phrase too? How "Russian Oligarch", or "Estonian Fascist"?
I will not perpetuate the lie by censoring myself to abide by it.