Joe "if you caught the flu it ain't the wu" Biden

But then... couldn’t we say that we had Clinton because of Bush Reagan and Carter? But we only had Carter because of Ford, Nixon, and Johnson no? So really... we only have George Washington to blame for all this and should go dig him and flog him in the streets? I don’t know that I can subscribe to that interpretation. Especially when to blame the election of a president on the actions of another presidents election- America elects presidents. So if we actually put some accountability to what you say...

We have Trump because America was mad at the choices America made is what is being said.

Sure. I didn't mean Presidents Clinton and Bush though, but as the favored alternatives to President Trump. I am crediting Former POTUS Obama in particular though. The Great Divider that he was, and continues to try and be, doubtlessly did the most to directly create the environment and attitude for a President Trump to be a preferable candidate and a successful President, too.

We can cast Obama as a divider- and many in the nation were divided by his presidency- all beginning long before he was elected and people argued over wether he was a US citizen or not... but that’s sort of the problem... that would be a long and subjective conversation- that inevitably would get bogged down in discussion of his race and how much of the division of his presidency was caused simply because of it. Then we could debate wether or not that’s valid, list policies and state it wasn’t about race and so on...

But it becomes circular because we can’t really prove it either way. What I can say is that political attacks and public disapproval starting before he ever had a chance to be president involved some relatively unique angles we haven’t seen with other presidents- “he’s a Muslim” “he isn’t born in this country...” not a whole lot of practical attacks asides being a democrat or things based in race and subsequently avoiding race directly- birth and religion.

Trump faced huge opposition and attack before election to. Centering not so much on wether he was American, or Muslim, but on his lack of experience, qualification, shady business dealings and spot track record of delivering on promises to investors and partners and lenders or creditors. On certain statements he had made and so on. And that too we can say is subjective.

But I DO agree with you that the election of Donald Trump is in part a result of previous elections like Obama- as o say in another thread: the world is confusing. For all of us regardless of politics. Issues of race and gender and religion and terrorism and so much is so darn complicated from politics to even our every day lives. What can we say to who and what do we even call people? We are all confused every day. Progressives by their nature build on that confusion- change the rules from what we know- as they try to get rid of established and ingrained things and the problems relating for new and often very different ways- too much change too soon is VERY confusing, especially for people who don’t adapt well to change.

So it’s physics. If you swing the pendulum hard one way- it’s gonna try and swing back. Wether it’s being the first black president in over 200 years of a nation, or trying to change the nature of how a country handles the medical needs of its citizens- these are big changes on their own. And following that up with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.... a woman who represents modern classic democratic corruption to so many, and a man that makes the first black president look like Milktoast as far as being a radical change.... they handed the election to just about anyone who ran against them.