While the approval protocol has been rushed, the results so far seem good! Data has been released and analysed by researchers who don't belong to the mega-corps, this vaccine looks about as safe as any other. You could say that some data can be withheld or some poor results swept under the rug, but this would require incredible cross-country cooperation.
(also, assuming the vaccine was bad but still distributed, scientists who made it wouldn't be the ones rejoicing... when it would come out they'd be the firsts in line to loose their jobs while the company would play surprised Pikachu)
Although I agree on the fact that we still don't know about long-term effects due to the rushing of the trials.
I agree. Scientifically, this vaccine is performing extremely well. Science is slow and methodical by nature, so we don't know about long term effects. But we have no reason to suspect they'd be anything terrible. We're basically waiting to know when to recommend vaccine booster shots.
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As of now, 211M doses of the various vaccines have been given. 3,486 people have died in close temporal proximity to receiving one of these doses (0.0016%). FDA and CDC physicians have investigated each of these and, of the closed cases, have found that not one of these people have died because of the vaccine.
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6 women developed blood clots from the J+J vaccine, out of 7M doses given. That less than one-in-a-million occurrence was concerning enough for us to slam the brakes on the entire J+J vaccine. I am proud of that decision: lives before money.
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@cakelover I am genuinely, non-judgenentally interested. What do you think about the vaccine? Do you think it's safe for people to get?
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Good point on the brake slamming: I was suspicious at first because of the rushing and monetary aspect of it, as the first announcements had been on mass media instead of peer-reviewed scientific publications, and the first and only article available for a little while was also from the guys who had made it, so I wasn't sure of their impartiality. Additionnally, there have been precedents in the story of medicine where some negative sides of procedures have been hidden. I'm thinking of the AIDS blood from the 80s, where people knew the blood was contaminated, a test was available, but because of financiary conflicts between laboratories it had been carefully hidden from the public.
The decision of suspending vaccination when the blood clots happened feels responsible and reassuring in this sense.
@jasonmon depends what you mean by safe
The vaccines seem to damage a statistically small number of people, as does covid
Pick your poison, to some degree
The meme amused me partly because we simply don't know the long term effects of vaccines (or covid), and businesses that produce the vaccines are immune from prosecution (at least here in the UK, I don't know about other nations), instead there's a taxpayer-funded reparations fund which seems kinda immoral to me
Thanks, @cake. Immunity and escape clauses for big corporations could easily be abused.
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On the vaccine front, after someone gets fully vaccinated, they can still get COVID. But, no one has been hospitalized or died from COVID once they get vaccinated. That is encouraging.
That’s weird, I noticed nothing from the first and some mild cold like symptoms from the second. I also noticed myself quick to associate any unfamiliar feeling with the vaccine.
I got walloped by both doses too. But that just makes me all the more glad I got it—if my immune response was that serious to the vaccine, how much worse would it have been with at actual virus...
(also, assuming the vaccine was bad but still distributed, scientists who made it wouldn't be the ones rejoicing... when it would come out they'd be the firsts in line to loose their jobs while the company would play surprised Pikachu)
Although I agree on the fact that we still don't know about long-term effects due to the rushing of the trials.
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As of now, 211M doses of the various vaccines have been given. 3,486 people have died in close temporal proximity to receiving one of these doses (0.0016%). FDA and CDC physicians have investigated each of these and, of the closed cases, have found that not one of these people have died because of the vaccine.
,
6 women developed blood clots from the J+J vaccine, out of 7M doses given. That less than one-in-a-million occurrence was concerning enough for us to slam the brakes on the entire J+J vaccine. I am proud of that decision: lives before money.
,
@cakelover I am genuinely, non-judgenentally interested. What do you think about the vaccine? Do you think it's safe for people to get?
,
Edit: spelling
The decision of suspending vaccination when the blood clots happened feels responsible and reassuring in this sense.
The vaccines seem to damage a statistically small number of people, as does covid
Pick your poison, to some degree
The meme amused me partly because we simply don't know the long term effects of vaccines (or covid), and businesses that produce the vaccines are immune from prosecution (at least here in the UK, I don't know about other nations), instead there's a taxpayer-funded reparations fund which seems kinda immoral to me
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On the vaccine front, after someone gets fully vaccinated, they can still get COVID. But, no one has been hospitalized or died from COVID once they get vaccinated. That is encouraging.