+100000 likes from me. If you want more money GET A FUCKING EDUCATION, you lazy cunts. To the people complaining that they can't support their family with a McDonald's wage: maybe you should have planned a bit for the future and started a family once you had a stable income. These people don't deserve $15/hour. If they want more money, then they should do more important or valuable work. These losers can easily be replaced by machines, and they should fucking understand that
Because all this magical money has to actually come from SOMEWHERE you walnut.
That $3.00 burger would have to be raised to $7 or more; would you pay it?
As for the EMT; while he probably deserves it, his pay comes from your taxes and insurance. Multiply him by every other deserving EMT, police officer, and firefighter and your taxes have just tripled.
(Your parents' taxes)
It will come from the printer, just fire them back up ,we print it everyday, pecan, oh or do like certain establishments that have a black budget It has to come from somewhere lmao,pull it out of your ass
To all: minimum wage absolutely should not be a "living wage." It is a STARTING wage, and minimum wage positions are typically starting positions. @correct is correct about inflation: if you pay everyone a higher wage, regardless of their experience or contribution, the costs of the goods and services you produce will have to go up as well if you want to stay in business. That means your higher wage will still not buy very much, and just may require staffing cuts at your employer.
In order for employees to have the opportunity to advance, get raises, and earn a higher wage the economy has to grow in order to compensate. It's simple math: if your employer is selling more product, he has more money to pay his employees. The reasons the economy sucks and wages are in the shitter are far more complicated than can be addressed here, but simply raising the minimum wage does no one any good in the long run.
I agree with @correct as harsh as it may sound , he is right, so is @guestwho , where there's a will there's a way . Here in America the poor teenagers who want to improve their school they can easily get financial aid , there is many forms of help for them , so as @guestwho said it's a starting wage and they should never pay someone who flips burgers more than $9
Not every job can, or even should pay a "living wage", you're quite right. Hell, for those that think a cart boy at Walmart should make enough to support a family of four (or whatever you think a fair wage is) try looking at it this way: if every menial job pays well enough to live your life comfortably why would anyone ever want to quit or advance to a more challenging job? Wouldn't you soon have a nation of loafers staying at the easy entry-level jobs, and no open jobs for teenagers with no skills to be able to start out with? You have to have crappy jobs so people will want to move on and make room for the next generation!
I won't say that any job should never pay more than "whatever amount", but it should be determined by the market. In some cities minimum wage type jobs could make $15 an hour but only if the local economy supports it.
Where is the money going to come from ? Well maybe if all these big ass companies stopped avoiding tax or the big guys at the top stopped paying themselves so much. Then there would be enough for a living wage. Not everyone can go to university and someone needs to do these jobs. However parademics should be paid more than someone who works in macdonalds. There is enough to go around but too much greediness for that to happen
I mostly agree with Correct unless the person trying to support their family with a McDonalds wage just didn't have enough money or didn't have the ability to get a College Education or they are homeless or are a teenager trying to support their family.
Seriously. Correct, how the fuck are you supposed to get an education if you are working two full time jobs in order to survive. Oh wait, I'm sorry they totally have enough time and money to go to college
Depending on your level of education, EMTs make different amounts of money. EMT-B makes the least, then there is EMT-I, and lastly paramedics. You need at least a bachelors degree for the last.
This isn't a contradiction. A paramedic should be making way more than $15 an hour and nobody can survive off $7 an hour. I live in NYC and get $14 an hour and can barely make it.
@dailydoseofmusic that is what inflation does. The "cost of living" in NY is too high for numerous reasons. Where I live $14 an hour will let you live quite comfortably (without a large family, anyway).
@guestwho $14 an hour with any family wouldn't be enough, unless you live literally in the middle of nowhere, which in that case the job opportunities become way more scarse and the pay becomes much less. The salary I get is already adjusted because of living costs in new York. Outside of the city this job will pay around $10 an hour, maybe less.
No there really are places in America where $14 an hour stretches to the next payday. In my town $10 would be a little tighter but doable. Not terribly long ago I survived two years making $8.00 with a family of two (thankfully no kids). We weren't living like Kardashians but we had what we needed and still went out fairly frequently. My only point was the relativity of the economy and inflation. Our local economy has been in the tank for years, but inflation (locally at least) is still not terrible.
Now I should also mention that even though I was not a kid just starting out at this time, I was in a starting level job due to a few bad choices and a bit of bad luck. I did not bitch about not being paid what I thought I was worth; I found another job where my skill set would be better appreciated, and where the type of pay I had worked hard to earn was available.
Also, we don't live like hillbillies here. There are plenty of houses and apartments that rent closer to the $1000 range, and plenty that can be found under $400 a month. The apartment we had at the time was pretty decent, and in a decent neighborhood for $275 a month.
I never said anything like that @theodorexex I said salaries should be adjusted towards the area you live in so that you can live in said area. Also @guestwho I never implied a hillbilly lifestyle had to be a part of living in a small community. You can live in a town with 10-20,000 people living there. What I was trying to bring up is a job like mine would probably be making a lot less in an area like that because of the much cheaper living expenses. I actually know someone who does programming in a smaller city and makes about the same as I do in New York. My point in short is saying that this post focuses on a wrong area, being that a profession as high stress and hard should be making way more than $15 per hour. and a company like McDonalds should be paying its employees enough so that they can at least live decently off their own paychecks.
Absolutely correct. And, if the wage increase is in any part passed through to consumers via higher prices, it will hurt the poor because the disproportionately suffer from price inflation.
Quick lesson in economics here children.. You can't just make a huge raise in minimum wage. It cant just jump dollars in an instant. It has to be a slow, gradual increase. If you jump minimum wage, all you are going to get is cut hours and lost jobs. These companies will keep their money one way or another.
I dont want a huge jump in minimum wage, but I DO believe you should be able to live off of minimum wage. Not in a life luxury, but at least something to pay the bills and groceries. And the people saying get an education, who is going to do all the jobs that don't require an education if everyone goes to college to get a degree? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I dont blame anyone for wanting more than 7.25 an hour. 15 is drastic for what they do, but a bit more than minimum wage is fine.
Here's the thing, only 13 percent of workers earning between 7.25 and 10.10 live in poor households. Nearly 2/3 live in households with incomes over twice the poverty line.
The thing is, no matter what the job, anyone working full time should be able to support themselves. And on $7/hr even working full time someone can't support themselves. Some people can't "get an education": not everybody's situation allows it.
"Anyone working full time should be able to support themselves." While some poor workers who keep their jobs will be lifted up out of poverty, this is done at the expense of those who lose their jobs and fall in to poverty.
Okay, but do you have another solution? It is ridiculous that a so called rich country has citizens who have to work multiple FULL TIME jobs to survive
It's important to note that individuals working multiple full time jobs to survive are in the minority, in fact, just 13% of workers earning between 7.25 and 10.10 live in poor households. It's also true that the min wage has no statistically detectable effect on poverty rates, this is because the vast majority of min wage workers don't live in poverty. While there are outliers, most min wage earners are 16-24, and over 3/5s of min wage earners work part time.
Instead of raising the min wage which causes job losses, and increases in prices, we should pursue a major and carefully crafted expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, which currently goes to millions of low income workers, and payments to eligible workers diminish as their earnings increase. But there is no disincentive effect because a gain in wages always produces a gain in overall income. The EITC rewards work and offers incentive for workers to enhance skill, it also doesn't distort market forces, maximizing employment.
That's an unfortunate problem with the minimum wage debate. Well meaning people who have little economic knowledge fastidiously cling to a policy that will do more harm than good.
Theodorerex is right, the minimal wage workers only see that they need more money to support themselves but don't think about the negative effects of raising minimal wages. You may fix one problem for a few but cause a lot more for others.
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· 8 years ago
Undercover was banned why??? He's my everything on this site!!
I feel DONT sorry for the LAZY ASS WORKERS AT McDonald's WHO CANT GET A FUCKING EDUCATION THERE IS FREE college FOR A RESON. That man on the left just saw someone DIE while trying to save him/her which is super sad
Community college is damned close to free. My wife spent 3 years earning two associates degrees at the community college then earned a scholarship to a four year school where she finished abachelor's degrees in two more years. Minimal loans, a lot of life experience. She paid as she went at the community college by working at Wendy's.
We don't need to raise minimal wage. People just need to get educated, get a degree or a license (such as a real estate license or beauty license) and move on to better jobs. You may or may not be able to pay for school with a minimal wage job but there's a lot of programs that will pay for your school for you. I feel like instead of sitting at protest or making comment on social media or what not, how about people try educating themselves on how to apply to these programs or find some way to go to school.
the problem about raising the minimum wage is it won't affect mcdonalds much it'll affect small businesses example: Joe owns a cafe that employs 3 people for 10$ an hour then the minimum wage is raised to 15$ now instead of 3 jobs he has 2 people working for 15$ an hour. this is how raising the minimum wage removes jobs
Personally, I don't have a problem with a raise in my taxes so that people with life-saving jobs like the EMT get a better pay. However, I know that not everyone can afford this or feels this way...
*personally the only reason I advocate for higher wages is for to compensate for ~inflation~
And seriously, if we wouldn't get our knickers in a knot and just cough up the taxes, I am sure that firefighters, police, and paramedics would receive the pay they deserve.
The pay comes from two separate sources: corporations v. state.
While I'm going at it, the only reason we don't see not burger flippers pockets d riot is because they have a greater fear of job security.
AND they're actually working a butt tonne more hours.
To anyone who doesn't realize the person on the left deserves MORE than $15 an hr, you arent capable of understanding a proper explanation.
If anyone who actually agrees with this nonsense would have ever bothered to open a damn history book or take a class ( and actually pass it) on even BASIC economics we wouldn't have this problem.
But here we are, a nation filled of people who think this sort of rubbish and haven't even the slightest of clues about what the minimum wage even IS, let alone it's origin and it's ( pre-fucking-determined) proper progression.
Its absolutely amazing how many people love to spout off nonsense about things they know absolutely nothing about, while having no issues with helping the tyrants allowing our economy and progress as U.S citizens to go to the toilet, along with their own rights, simply to ensure they get to continue to pretend to be better than everyone else while simultaneously making sure they will never be forced to "git NE lurnin".
As someone who makes minimum wage I can say that it is too fucking low. I was homeless for 5 years working 40h a week in a town I could not afford to live in! The truth of the matter is it should very more from place to place and people should not Shit out kids on it. I don't think people who have never lived on it can fully understand how good or bad it is. Also some people just don't want to dig a massive debt hole to make more money and that's ok. we NEED more then just teenagers to work jobs like this.
I'm pretty sure the job you are working at right now isn't the ideal job. My question to you is why stay at a minimal paying job complaining about it but not try to get a better job?
Thare are two side of the coin I grant you but the sad fact is inflation has gone up a lot faster then minimum wage. I know that it is a fair pay in some places but there are still city's that don't pay people enough to live in them on what places like McDonalds pays and that is some fucked up Shit. Living on minimum wage should be a economics class.
Do you even know what would happen if the minimum wage were increased? The only people that are better off are those that keep their jobs, at the expense of others who lose their jobs entirely. You may ignorantly lobby for an increase in the minimum wage now, but what happens if you're one of the people who gets fired as a result of those increases?
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· 8 years ago
Honestly I just don't know what I want to do with my life and don't want to spend a fortune at school trying to figure it out. Some people can seize the day and others just want to get buy. I moved out of the town I couldn't afford to live in so no worries.
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Do some research minimum wage increases don't impact the number of jobs as much as people think and the people who work jobs like that spend most or all of the money they make so it isn't as bad as some would say.
Economists David Neumark and William Wascher’s research titled Minimum Wages and Employment showed that 85 percent of the most credible studies on minimum wage laws have empirically shown job losses and reduced job opportunities for low skilled workers... So, uh... what research are you talking about? http://www.nber.org/papers/w12663.pdf
That's literally the only study people use to claim the minimum wage doesn't adversely influence employment. The Card/Krueger study was methodologically a joke, so much so that many economists don't even view it as reputable.
Feed the distraction, fight the poor agaisnt the poor, you stupid fucking monkeys, wake up and see the true enemy....it's the one telling you this is the real problem
That $3.00 burger would have to be raised to $7 or more; would you pay it?
As for the EMT; while he probably deserves it, his pay comes from your taxes and insurance. Multiply him by every other deserving EMT, police officer, and firefighter and your taxes have just tripled.
(Your parents' taxes)
In order for employees to have the opportunity to advance, get raises, and earn a higher wage the economy has to grow in order to compensate. It's simple math: if your employer is selling more product, he has more money to pay his employees. The reasons the economy sucks and wages are in the shitter are far more complicated than can be addressed here, but simply raising the minimum wage does no one any good in the long run.
I won't say that any job should never pay more than "whatever amount", but it should be determined by the market. In some cities minimum wage type jobs could make $15 an hour but only if the local economy supports it.
Now I should also mention that even though I was not a kid just starting out at this time, I was in a starting level job due to a few bad choices and a bit of bad luck. I did not bitch about not being paid what I thought I was worth; I found another job where my skill set would be better appreciated, and where the type of pay I had worked hard to earn was available.
Instead of raising the min wage which causes job losses, and increases in prices, we should pursue a major and carefully crafted expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, which currently goes to millions of low income workers, and payments to eligible workers diminish as their earnings increase. But there is no disincentive effect because a gain in wages always produces a gain in overall income. The EITC rewards work and offers incentive for workers to enhance skill, it also doesn't distort market forces, maximizing employment.
And seriously, if we wouldn't get our knickers in a knot and just cough up the taxes, I am sure that firefighters, police, and paramedics would receive the pay they deserve.
The pay comes from two separate sources: corporations v. state.
While I'm going at it, the only reason we don't see not burger flippers pockets d riot is because they have a greater fear of job security.
AND they're actually working a butt tonne more hours.
If anyone who actually agrees with this nonsense would have ever bothered to open a damn history book or take a class ( and actually pass it) on even BASIC economics we wouldn't have this problem.
But here we are, a nation filled of people who think this sort of rubbish and haven't even the slightest of clues about what the minimum wage even IS, let alone it's origin and it's ( pre-fucking-determined) proper progression.
Its absolutely amazing how many people love to spout off nonsense about things they know absolutely nothing about, while having no issues with helping the tyrants allowing our economy and progress as U.S citizens to go to the toilet, along with their own rights, simply to ensure they get to continue to pretend to be better than everyone else while simultaneously making sure they will never be forced to "git NE lurnin".