My son was coming home.. just like any regular day... he was a good kid, always went to church..... poor Tyrone was coming home from after participating an armed robbery at the local bank. Come on he was just 23, he didn't know any better!!!! Sure, he shot three times at a cop, and they warned him multiple times during a 4 hour standoff, but they didn't have to kill him!!!!!! Fuck the police, the system is corrupt!! This is why we need BLM!!!!!!
no it's just a sort of headcount of people who have seen the comment and have obviously understood it. if i cared about likes, I'd tell you to look at how every single one of your comments here are downvoted, but that doesnt mean someone is right or wrong. Btw speaking of desparation...
Let's not kid ourselves. It's not a headcount of people who understand anything.
Likes are a headcount of people who see something that agrees with their worldview.
If that massages your mental ego, that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything more.
ok, sure. But you shouldn't speak of ego (btw what's mental ego) if you're unable to at least admit that you are not capable of explaining your worldview properly. Cuz really, most people on this site are more alligned with the type of mindset that is against lethal gun use, and also are more likely than not to support the BLM cause (imo). But since you were unable to eloquently convey your thoughts and ideas properly, instead resorting to some weak exaggerated examples, then blaming the article for being bad, then asking for someone to link you to a better news source (the latter two of which you should have done BEFORE it became obvious that you were on the losing side of the debate). So I mean, you have the right to imply that im egotistical, but let's not forget that you still aren't gracefully admitting that you were at least incapable of conveying your point. IMO, you're the one who's being egotistical rn. But again, that's fine. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm not sure why the shot dead part is so important if he tried to enter the house.
The officer was protecting his family.
There might be more sides to the story, but from this it simply seems like a case of self-defense
If this story is true, the guy was an absolute jackass, but lethal force vs a planter thrown from outside the house?
If I did that, I'd be thrown in jail. Than again, maybe CA laws are different...
Planter thrown to break the glass and then enter the house despite being refused entry multiple times. Sure I guess they should have sit back and let the guy beat the shit out of them, cuz its not self defense if the person you shoot is part of a group that is traditionally more opressed than your own. Also, why is a leader of a movement that is trying to portray itself as a peaceful protest breaking into a fucking cop's house? If MLK did that we'd be DECADES behind in terms of racial equality. Stop defending this stupidity.
This sort of thing slips through every now and then, but they don't represent a whole of a movement. MLK's time also had the Black Panthers, who actually did some shooting. But we didn't blame their violence on all black people.
I should be used to your moronic responses by now...
Please re-read to U.N.D.E.R.S.T.A.N.D.
Next, respond without resorting to flights of fancy.
Here's an idea. Pretend you're on Judge Judy or something.
Of course we didnt, but it was MLK who got us progress, not the Black Panthers. If there were JUST the Black Panthers back then, people would be less willing to make change. I mean, of course they don't represent all black people, that is obvious. But in 1950-60s America, of the only black rights movements used violence rather than peaceful protest, people would be less inclined to vote for their equality.
But this is just one man. The whole BLM movement didn't walk up to this man's house and throw a planter through the window. Most of them do use peaceful protest. But when you're being beaten and shot at, it's hard to stay peaceful.
Yea and @matthewg I read ur comment. Yes you admitted the guy was a cunt but then you trivialized what he did to 'throwing a planter at a house' obviously someone doesn't deserve to die because they threw a planter at a house. But after you bang on someone's door after they refuse to let you in, then smash their windows to get inside, especially after arguing with the owner of the house prior to the incident, you should expect self defense.
@gelurgis theve done more. They have stopped regular highway transit (this makes people who might have supported you prior, start hating you. All you're doing is stopping a regular guys daily commute). They also did this at a college, where they stopped the Dean's car, and then one of them walked into it (it's on video). They then tried to portray the Dean as a racist who tried to run someone over for being black, and tried to get him to resign. Not to mention the BLM leader who prostituted a 16 year old, etc. They do more shit like this, too. But the thing is, #BLM is in itself a good idea/sentiment, and I like what it stands for. But, the way it's leaders and members act makes me think that it's being hijacked by people who want personal gain, and try hiding under an honorable ideal to get it. Ofc, since @matthewg is legally obligated to disagree with me no matter what, I bet he thinks I'm am evil KKK member or something.
Not trivial at all.
You keep clinging on to the "self-defense" defense. What was used was "lethal force". People like us are held to very strict rules on when/where lethal force may be used. Correct me if I'm wrong, but using it on someone outside your house because they threw a planter through your window isn't cause to use lethal force.
But, this is justified by law, in some states. Someone intruding on your property allows you to shoot them without fear of prosecution. Not that the Stand Your Ground law is just. But the police officer can't be tried for it. They used the amount of force that they were allowed to use. And that is terrible.
Btw he broke in (is says so in the title). Also he's still on the house property. Should they have waited until he was inside to defend themselves? Plus they tried to defend themselves from an impending violent attack. Also I am pretty sure they weren't interning to kill but hey, people miss. Plus it seemed kinda premeditated cuz the guy argued with him online and drove to his house and repeatedly tried to get in. The guy didn't send off the "I want to have a civil discussion with you" message, he sent off the "I'm going to fuckin kill you" message. That's why I think it was ok for the cop to defend his family in this case.
Ah, I see.
So in St. Louis, I could conceivably open fire on a Girl Scout because she came to my door and sassed me over my thin mint bill.
Sounds like heaven.
Yea because the girl scout is a full grown adult who first argues with you online, then drove to your house, tried to barge through the door multiple times, got told to leave, then broke through the window with a planter. Yea!!!
The article is garbage. The title says "after breaking in", then below, it says "after trying to break in".
The article also seems to have an agenda, as it paints this guy as a BLM "activist" for seemingly nothing more than arguing with a fellow churchgoer about the subject. It'd be great to see the rest of the article, but this is fs, after all. Just going by the post, it seems like another in an ever-expanding line of smears on the BLM movement based on the actions of a few dubiously-related apples.
Ok so basically you're blaming the article now because you weren't able to properly defend your beliefs in the discussion. You could have said this earlier but right now it looks like you're trying to avoid losing the 'debate'
Btw sure you're allowed to make an exaggerated scenario, I don't care. I just don't think it was super effective in this case, it just sounded kinda dumb.
@geluregis I fucking HATE how that excuses white shooters. I hate how when a black guy does an armed robbery, he's a thug, and if a Muslim does it, he's a terrorist,but if a white guy does it, he's just 'mentally ill and needs therapy'. I hope you guys don't think I'm some asshole white supremacist, here.
Good God, correct. It's like you come up with these little deluded stories in your own head, and you react to them, instead of the person standing right in front of you. (or across the internets from you?)
@matthewg: that idiot furthered his online threats and went to the officer's home to do who the hell knows... I would tell the officer he did a great job.
Are you stupid?
Someone went out of their way to post this, but not link the entire article. Seems to me that burden should lie with the OP, but seeing as how they may have an agenda, or just reposted something they thought would get easy likes, I guess that's not going to happen. I don't recall seeing @brainrector at all in his/her comment section.
But yeah, my bad for not researching every halfassed post on FS. Lord knows I have the time... /witheringsarcasm
Ok. If he entered the house, I can understand the use of lethal force. That would make him an immediate threat to the officer and his family.
OMG, have you read the comments section here?
Also, the article is still very poorly written.
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Will nothing ever satisfy you withering internet troll.
yea, I agree that the info given wasn't the best, but when you start a discussion based on a certain material, you shouldn't back out near the end and push all blame to the article. But yea, the site sucks and we should have been given a more unbiased and well documented news source to begin with, but all the talk that went about here was based more or less on the above post.
yea. though he could easily have used google to find it himself so i think his request was more of a subject change or an 'avoid-having-to-give-up' ploy.
With no mediators or win conditions, there's not really a way to win, lose, or "give up". You just have to present what you have at full force, and I will respect that.
i guess you're right there, although I did feel he sort of ran out of things to present, hence the switch to source blaming. But again, you're right. There's no winning or losing, I just didn't really know how to word it. 'save face', maybe? Idk
Geez, some of you people...
If you post something on the internet, the burden of proof is YOURS. Don't give me shit about not looking things up. If you used a shit source, that's YOUR problem.
I'm an Australian who's only ever used a firearm for shooting clays, and only one time, and hasn't done a whole lot of research into laws regarding guns, but I know a few things about basic conditions of use. One of the most important being to only point a weapon at someone or something if you are willing to kill it. Also to always treat a gun as loaded with the safety off even if you took each and every bullet out yourself.
^These are a couple of the basics that I learned when applying for my license, years ago. It literally pains me to see people possessing firearms without the bare minimum of training, although I must admit I feel a bit of schadenfreude when I witness them harm themselves (never others) through their own stupidity.
Its more of the mindset of "if theyre willing to do it they deserve it" Even though a lot of terrible things have been done in an "in the moment" way
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Oh Jesus Christ.
The cruelty on the Internet.
Who needs cafeteria bullies anymore when you can come on FS and say "Hello how are you?" And get called a "scumbag" "loser" "asshole" and "dumb ass" by complete strangers, instead of being nice and learning from what's going on in this crazy world right now.
Come on people. This guy didn't deserve to die, and the cop and his family didn't deserve to be threatened, endangered and attacked by the guy. Bottom line, it was a huge disagreement and it's tragic either way.
Pray guys.
It's sad how easy it is to be more concerned with forming opinions and judgements over tragedies than it is to care about the loss itself.
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Exactly!
Thank you so much, I really wonder if they were in that position (well not dead but mentally unstable) and someone would slander them on the Internet like they're doing now, what would their reactions be?
People these days
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And whoever upvoted @chu HE SAYS THE SAME THING ON ALL THE POSTS HE COMMENTS ON YOU SMURF I SHOULD CUT OFF THE SAME FINGER YOU UPVOTED HIM WITH
I'm sorry, but that simply CANNOT be excused as sarcasm.
You're counting likes and using them as an argument? Such desperation... Much regert...
Likes are a headcount of people who see something that agrees with their worldview.
If that massages your mental ego, that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything more.
I think I'll keep you.
The officer was protecting his family.
There might be more sides to the story, but from this it simply seems like a case of self-defense
If I did that, I'd be thrown in jail. Than again, maybe CA laws are different...
Please re-read to U.N.D.E.R.S.T.A.N.D.
Next, respond without resorting to flights of fancy.
Here's an idea. Pretend you're on Judge Judy or something.
You keep clinging on to the "self-defense" defense. What was used was "lethal force". People like us are held to very strict rules on when/where lethal force may be used. Correct me if I'm wrong, but using it on someone outside your house because they threw a planter through your window isn't cause to use lethal force.
So in St. Louis, I could conceivably open fire on a Girl Scout because she came to my door and sassed me over my thin mint bill.
Sounds like heaven.
The article also seems to have an agenda, as it paints this guy as a BLM "activist" for seemingly nothing more than arguing with a fellow churchgoer about the subject. It'd be great to see the rest of the article, but this is fs, after all. Just going by the post, it seems like another in an ever-expanding line of smears on the BLM movement based on the actions of a few dubiously-related apples.
He was bipolar, and apparently hadn't been taking medication. This would be enough to excuse most young white mass shooters.
Someone went out of their way to post this, but not link the entire article. Seems to me that burden should lie with the OP, but seeing as how they may have an agenda, or just reposted something they thought would get easy likes, I guess that's not going to happen. I don't recall seeing @brainrector at all in his/her comment section.
But yeah, my bad for not researching every halfassed post on FS. Lord knows I have the time... /witheringsarcasm
OMG, have you read the comments section here?
Also, the article is still very poorly written.
If you're going to try to insult me, do it correctly.
If you post something on the internet, the burden of proof is YOURS. Don't give me shit about not looking things up. If you used a shit source, that's YOUR problem.
I often wonder if people who say such things have ever drawn a weapon in their lives.
The cruelty on the Internet.
Who needs cafeteria bullies anymore when you can come on FS and say "Hello how are you?" And get called a "scumbag" "loser" "asshole" and "dumb ass" by complete strangers, instead of being nice and learning from what's going on in this crazy world right now.
Come on people. This guy didn't deserve to die, and the cop and his family didn't deserve to be threatened, endangered and attacked by the guy. Bottom line, it was a huge disagreement and it's tragic either way.
Pray guys.
There's still someone debating with me.
Wow goodbye
Lol but seriously you do get what I'm saying right?
This is so sad
It's like country mixed with hiphop
Thank you so much, I really wonder if they were in that position (well not dead but mentally unstable) and someone would slander them on the Internet like they're doing now, what would their reactions be?
People these days
Lol
I don't stay mad at you