Maybe people should be more worried about mass killings in general, rather than the tools in particular.
Knives, trucks, IEDs, and acid kill you just as dead.
People want to flip a switch and have an immediate solution. In my life I've had 34 friends/family members killed in car accidents/road rage incidents... no one has banned cars yet. I've said it before and I'll say it again, just because something isnt a tool built for the purpose of killing doesnt negate the intent of those using it to kill.***edited for spelling
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I continue to insist that solutions that will actually work are probably boring and don't feel consequential, and are therefore have little to no popular support.
The fact that certain prescription drugs are even legal surprises the hell out of me. There are dozens of over the counter painkillers easily available that are basically legal meth.
Yep, they're ranked #3 in 2019 for largest GDP growth and forecasted growth... which is kind of insane when you consider #1 is the USA and #2 is China... both with vastly larger market repositories.
It didn't make sense when they blamed Elvis, Ozzy, Tupac or Eminem either. We all know their talking points by now; video games are just the latest to get the finger.... and not the fun one.
Japan the place they released nerve gas on a subway and killed 12 people maybe not the best example or is it ok that they have mass killing as long as no gun is used?
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And how many mass killings did they have til then? Japanese murder rate is within the lowest on this planet.
They've had plenty of mass stabbings, arson killing dozens at a time, and at least one truck attack. On top of the nerve attack already mentioned.
Where there's a dickless psychopath, there's a way.
Japan has plenty of problems, not least the way it deals with mental health. But that's not the point, is it? The conversation about gun violence in the States just won't go away and the current trend among pro-gun rights people seems to be to deflect the conversation away altogether. Either, if you're not American, you don't get to comment (which strikes me as funny in the face of American cultural imperialism), or, look! People die in other countries too, why don't you go pick on them? America, you have a problem with gun violence. Deal with it.
If five people are going to die either way (as death rates have never changed because of gun legislation), what's it matter how they died?
This way, at least my mother and grandparents have a chance. Nevermind the preservation of liberty and the value of deterrence.
I don't give two shits how people are being murdered, the problem is that people are being murdered.
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Right. And in the USA 5,1 out of 100,000 get murdered, in Europe it's 1,5 to 2, in Japan it's 0,2. You don't give two shits about math, reason and facts either. At this moment, you're basically spitballing bullet points from NRA presentations. Maybe your C&C server admin needs to reboot you.
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The USA have 4-5 times the homicide rate of Europe, nearly three times as many as Canada, nearly six times Australia. And it's so blatantly obvious why, but those in denial will deny. Of course it's NOT just and only the availability of all sorts of guns, but that is the one major difference to all other countries with a comparable culture and society. Well, america being the motherland of ruthless capitalism, cultural and monetary separation and general stigma of mental health issues, there's probably a lot more literal loose cannons roaming the streets but without easy access to assault weapons a lot less people would be killed intentionally. And now, deniers: deny.
And please do yourself the favor and shut up with England and the knife crimes. UK has 1,2 homicides per 100,000 citizens, USA has 5,1. These facts don't care fore any feelings.
It's because of Chiraq and Kalifornia. No shit, get rid of a handful of cities, all of which happen to have some of the strictest gun control, and our murder rate plummets.
For crying out loud, of those places, the only ones seeing any improvement are the ones that are starting to allow lawful citizens to arm themselves.
I don't give two shits about "gun deaths". Homicide, that is unjustified killings, are the issue that need addressing.
It doesn't matter if they're bludgeoned, stabbed, burned, blown up, or shot. Dead is dead.
You're right, dead is dead, and yes, homicide holus bolus is a big, real problem.
Mass shootings are also a big, real problem, and there's an obvious correlation between the proliferation of firearms in the US and the disproportionately high rate of mass shootings in the US.
And come on, "I don't give two shits about "gun deaths"" - that's not helping. You don't mention accidental shootings, you don't mention shootings deliberate or otherwise that result in non-fatal injury - dead might be dead, but facts are still facts. You might not give two shits about gun deaths, but some people, thank god, still do.
Actually, Chicago's homicide rate is only slightly above the national average. St. Louis and Baltimore are far more dangerous. Chicago just tends to be the NRA's favorite scapegoat.
Their homicide rate only stayed on the same trend at the same exact rate.
As a matter of fact, Australia has more guns in circulation than before the "buy back".
Mass shootings aren't even one percent of shooting deaths, much less crime in general. It's a severely overstated issue being pushed by people who for some reason fear an armed constituency.
Rifles kills in general are barely a drop in the bucket compared to pistols, bats, bricks, knives, or even bare hands.
I leave out "accidents" because those numbers are inflated by suicides that were ruled otherwise for the family's sake, and because the argument is about homicides, as I've already stated that I don't care about the tool as I do the actual killing.
Why do you leave out justified shootings and self-defense?
I don't know how you begin to define a justified shooting, and I believe that the self-defence side of things is too convoluted by the fact that the attackers from whom one needs defence is so often also armed with a gun.
What I see is equivocation. To me, it's a no brainer that my freedom to carry a gun, no matter how much I love it, is not worth the damage that other idiots are doing with them. I'll gladly give that freedom up so that fewer of my fellow citizens will be killed by them. There's a social contract at play in my role as a citizen - and this, I think, is the real crux of the issue: America largely sees itself as the place where an individual, unhindered by government and regulation, can achieve great success - which is a fantastic ideal. In practice, though, that focus on the individual comes at the cost of social cohesion, because there's no inherent social mechanism to counter base human selfishness.
If you cannot accept the personal responsibility of living in a free nation, I implore you to find a nation more to your liking.
I will keep my liberty, and the instant anybody actually moves to ban, confiscate, or "buy back" on a widespread level, is the instant I will move to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies. Foreign and domestic.
Our ideals made us the greatest and most powerful nation on the face of the earth. We've freed and protected countless innocents, safeguarded the entire world, and pushed boundaries further and sooner than anybody else.
Anybody who thinks criminals won't have weapons or commit violence regardless of the law, is a fool at best.
Every compromise to civil liberties in the last century was meant to be the thing that would make everything okay, yet here we are.
Knives, trucks, IEDs, and acid kill you just as dead.
Where there's a dickless psychopath, there's a way.
This way, at least my mother and grandparents have a chance. Nevermind the preservation of liberty and the value of deterrence.
I don't give two shits how people are being murdered, the problem is that people are being murdered.
And please do yourself the favor and shut up with England and the knife crimes. UK has 1,2 homicides per 100,000 citizens, USA has 5,1. These facts don't care fore any feelings.
For crying out loud, of those places, the only ones seeing any improvement are the ones that are starting to allow lawful citizens to arm themselves.
Chicago's homicide rate is 18.
The global average is 6.
US average is 5.
It doesn't matter if they're bludgeoned, stabbed, burned, blown up, or shot. Dead is dead.
Mass shootings are also a big, real problem, and there's an obvious correlation between the proliferation of firearms in the US and the disproportionately high rate of mass shootings in the US.
And come on, "I don't give two shits about "gun deaths"" - that's not helping. You don't mention accidental shootings, you don't mention shootings deliberate or otherwise that result in non-fatal injury - dead might be dead, but facts are still facts. You might not give two shits about gun deaths, but some people, thank god, still do.
As a matter of fact, Australia has more guns in circulation than before the "buy back".
Mass shootings aren't even one percent of shooting deaths, much less crime in general. It's a severely overstated issue being pushed by people who for some reason fear an armed constituency.
Rifles kills in general are barely a drop in the bucket compared to pistols, bats, bricks, knives, or even bare hands.
I leave out "accidents" because those numbers are inflated by suicides that were ruled otherwise for the family's sake, and because the argument is about homicides, as I've already stated that I don't care about the tool as I do the actual killing.
Why do you leave out justified shootings and self-defense?
What I see is equivocation. To me, it's a no brainer that my freedom to carry a gun, no matter how much I love it, is not worth the damage that other idiots are doing with them. I'll gladly give that freedom up so that fewer of my fellow citizens will be killed by them. There's a social contract at play in my role as a citizen - and this, I think, is the real crux of the issue: America largely sees itself as the place where an individual, unhindered by government and regulation, can achieve great success - which is a fantastic ideal. In practice, though, that focus on the individual comes at the cost of social cohesion, because there's no inherent social mechanism to counter base human selfishness.
I will keep my liberty, and the instant anybody actually moves to ban, confiscate, or "buy back" on a widespread level, is the instant I will move to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies. Foreign and domestic.
Our ideals made us the greatest and most powerful nation on the face of the earth. We've freed and protected countless innocents, safeguarded the entire world, and pushed boundaries further and sooner than anybody else.
Anybody who thinks criminals won't have weapons or commit violence regardless of the law, is a fool at best.
Every compromise to civil liberties in the last century was meant to be the thing that would make everything okay, yet here we are.