Why bother spending that money on mental health of students right?
5 years ago by xoxo · 317 Likes · 26 comments · Trending
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catfluff
· 5 years ago
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Wait, how is that going to stop it?
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guest_
· 5 years ago
The hallways are curved- you can’t keep a line of sight on a target as they run away from you- so can’t hit them. The receptionist has a full view of the surroundings and there are controls like locks that can be triggered from that office etc. Raised ridges and other architectural features provide cover from gun fire. The classroom windows are designed so that a shooter looking in can’t see kids if they stand against the wall, and the glass has bullet resistant film. Lockers have been designed in a size and shape to allow storage of most common items but not facilitate storage of rifles or long guns. Other design features etc. using technology or architecture to provide disadvantages to shooters.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
It won’t “stop” a shooter- but the design is such that the hope is a shooting could be noticed immediately and active security applied to contain the shooter and protect kids. The number of hogs on live targets is diminished by passive security, and the shooter can’t easily tell where people are- so they have to search and clear room by room (any non secured rooms) which takes time and would hopefully both mean less victims and more time for LEO to respond and stop the shooting.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Knowing all of this- a shooter would also hopefully be deterred- as most shooters seem to be after “body count,” But their odds of getting a large body count at this school are theoretically reduced. The design was done by a firm that does prisons- but they strove for balance between comfort and “welcoming” spaces and security. So the security isn’t as high as it could be because they didn’t want to design a school like a prison- just apply many principals without a draconian look to increase safety.
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catfluff
· 5 years ago
@guest_ thanks!
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guest_
· 5 years ago
No worries. And welcome.
f__kyeahhamburg
· 5 years ago
Well that's gonna be way more effective than a proper gun control.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
It is! Most school shooters are not legally in possession of their weapons, and certainly are not using them legally. Now, let’s say tomorrow the USA banned all guns? Well.... there are ALOT of guns in the USA. What’s more, many are unregistered. Kids used to (and still do) steal guns from the police actually. Then we have our southern neighbor Mexico- who despite some of the strictest guns laws in the world- only ONE legal location to buy guns in the entire country (on a military base) has huge fun crime.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
So even if we banned guns tomorrow- there are enough unregistered weapons floating around, and access over the border, that it would likely be decades or more before such measures made any real impact on gun crime. In fact... most gun crimes are committed by... illegal weapons. As we established though, school shooters often get guns from their parents or another adult...
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Well.... we don’t have a lot of reason to believe that access would be dramatically impacted if all guns were illegal. Many people don’t register guns because they don’t want them “in the system” but are otherwise law abiding folk. Many have heirloom weapons that were bought before registration was required, or grandfathered out, or were never registered by previous owners. “Dads hunting rifle” etc.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
So- all said, banning guns outright tomorrow would be unlikely to have any real impact in gun crime for decades. “Street guns” would most likely stay in circulation until confiscated- so there would still be a danger of mass shootings etc- thusly this would still be a prudent step to take to protect kids from a known possible threat.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
So- the way this is written etc makes it sound outrageous. $48 million?! You may ask. How sad that we would spend that on school shooting renovations! Except... the school was being renovated anyway. It’s not sad to spend money renovating a school. That’s... educational spending. While they were renovating they included security features.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
It’s still $48 million! You might say. Well... the average MIDDLE school costs about $242 a square foot. The average size of a school is about 100,000 square feet and it costs about $25 million for that. This school renovation was about 190,000 square feet. If we do the math- for a near total renovation including structural renovation- that’s not actually so far off from the costs to renovate the school and NOT include features that increase security for students and staff. They could have used the $48 million on other things- but...
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Then you’d have another school with aging and out of date facilities and features. Given that schools don’t get renovated that often- maybe every 20-30 years, and that a common social issue is underfunding of schools- I can’t say there is much reason to be upset asides the fact school shootings exist- which isn’t related to wether an aging school needs a renovation or not. And more over- even if all guns were illegal- buildings like schools or public venues should be designed for occupant safety in disasters, terrorist or other attacks, etc. While we are at it they should also probably be designed with some measure of sustainability and conservation in mind too. So I don’t see a big problem here.
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karlboll
· 5 years ago
Wether the cost is high or low it says something about America when preventing school shootings is basically about reducing casualties. Also I think, with all the corners and hard to see areas this is going to make it more difficult for the school to prevent harassment and sexual harassment.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
We could also say that it is telling that one would look at this and see a sexual harassment risk from obstructed line of sight- or the implication that the only thing stopping sexual harassment is the harasser being seen: or the idea that there would normally be people who routinely scan for sexual harassment? I mean- there are things called cameras that can allow monitoring of hard to see places too- but realistically it would seem that if harassment wasn’t a threat they were concerned to that degree with before- there wouldn’t be a reason to be concerned with it now unless there were suddenly an uptick in such incidences.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
There has been an uptick in school shootings though- and well... if you look around Europe you’ll see that barriers to protect against vehicle attacks are pretty common in many public spaces. It makes sense to design buildings to protect against the things you are most likely to encounter. That’s what walls are. They keep our animals, elements, and unauthorized persons. Like people in flood plains who build homes on stilts for example.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Now- if you were to outlaw guns in America- all guns- tomorrow... there are ALOT of guns in America. And estimated of how many of those are unregistered (so couldn’t be easily taken off the streets) are pretty high. We don’t have problems getting drugs from across the border- it’s not so much harder, possibly easier, to get guns which aren’t exactly in short supply to the south.
guest_
· 5 years ago
So there’s no reason to think that any law we would pass would seriously impact the availability of guns to criminals for at least a decade or two. So separate from gun control it is still prudent for the interim to take steps to safeguard against domestic terrorism.
guest_
· 5 years ago
So I mean... it says... we have an issue with mass shootings. Not exactly telling since most people in the world are aware of that fact. It says that we know it isn’t a risk that we could ever eliminate completely (France has pretty tight gun control and well... they’ve had mass shootings pretty recently I do believe.
guest_
· 5 years ago
So yes. The country that makes you take off your shoes and get 3D scanned or strip searched to get on a plane because that one time some guys blew up some buildings using planes.... figures it’s better safe than sorry to make sure no one shoots our kids.
thedarksmudge
· 5 years ago
Big difference is the absurd amount of mass shootings that happen in America
guest_
· 5 years ago
Yes..... that’s.... kinda part of the point? There are more mass shootings in America than vehicle attacks in Europe, but vehicle attacks have killed or injured many in Europe- so it’s common the see public spaces and buildings designed or incorporating designs to mitigate vehicle attacks. So if there are more shootings in America... logically it would be smart to take protective measures wouldn’t it?
scatmandingo
· 5 years ago
I’ll bet it’s super easy to dodge the teachers when you don’t have a hall pass.
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alekazam
· 5 years ago
I’m more concerned about those weird shadow people
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scatmandingo
· 5 years ago
I’m with you. They could be cybermen.
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