...Thank the tobacco companies for funneling money into lobbyists and media for anti-vaping to change public opinion. Do you guys want to know how far this whole thing goes? You know those Truth commercials? Big tobacco owns Truth dot org for two purposes:
1) So they don't have to pay extra taxes, since they are demoting their own product, and thus aren't promoting bad health
2) Make Truth commercials so incredibly annoying, that you'll want to smoke out of cognitive dissonance.
The scary thing is, this all works. Top tobacco companies have spent an insane amount of research on human psychology, from individual to mass.
If you're going to smoke/vape, do it on your terms, and do what feels right for you.
Well not exactly. The commercials are made by a non-profit that is funded by tobacco companies as part of the settlement of the lawsuit in the late 90s. They don’t have any influence over the commercials themselves and I believe Phillip Morris actually sued the Truth once because of content. Besides, tobacco companies love vaping. They are the ones providing the nicotine in liquid form to the industry. That is a way for them to increase profits in the US without risking another lawsuit.
I think a big part of it (asides of course that new technology always tends to attract criticism) is that vaping is often seen as and put forward as harmless. It doesn’t smell like obvious death. It doesn’t taste like obvious death and make most fresh lunged folks hack. The mechanisms of smoking are quite effective at addiction. Deep breaths and then a calm from the drugs. It mimics natural behavior that already has strong pathways for habit.
That oral fixation and those movements become their own addiction. Now with smoking- they obviously don’t make rolled up paper or cinnamon sticks for kids to light on fire and inhale. But vapes- they come without drugs. No nicotine. “Just water and flavor and stuff...” It tastes good. It (arguably) smells good. Better than arsenic and ash. It’s less harsh feeling on throat and lungs and doesn’t have 4,000 warning labels and laws and after school specials. And you can get used to it as a way to kill boredom or look cool or a stress coping mechanism before you’re even hooked on the drug. The psychological groundwork is there and all you need is to hit a vape with a little nicotine for a change- see it’s basically exactly the same but maybe you like the feeling- and that’s the in.
Opioids are huge, oral steroids are much more common than injectables and both are the most common gateway to needles because they take the psychologically scary, the unpleasant and socially taboo aspects out of the drug. It’s a pill. People take pills all the time. Swallow. Easy. Same with vapes. Someone who never would touch a cigarette because of the scale of stigma and information, prohibitive laws and ordinances and taxes, the smell and the unpleasantness of starting up- a vape isn’t so different from many candy products sold. It’s easy to get into and it’s delivery and composition make it seem safe to people.
We don’t even have the data at this point to say it is safer than cigarettes- and any delivery system for nicotine is dangerous- nicotine is a poison that kills tissue and crosses the blood brain barrier. Big T is pervasive and insidious. Unscrupulous. They sell drugs and death legally because plantations had more power and social pull than crack dealers. “It’s just water” it’s “just a plant” so on. Big T is dirty to the core and people don’t really realize how far that goes-
But chevron isn’t scared of electric cars and solar, neither is Toyota or GM. Chevron will still supply the petroleum to make the plastics and polymers, tires and drive train lubricants and electronics and yes- the solar panels too. Why would Toyota kill electric cars when they can see huge profit margins on them? BigT doesn’t need to kill vaping- why do that when they can buy in and control that too? When they can make money selling cigarettes to those who still smoke here and overseas, AND to a new generation of nicotine addicts?
All those deaths were caused by Vitamin E Acetate, which when vaporized and inhaled, condenses into a syrupy substance that coat the alveoli (the air sacs) in the lung. With approved products, Vitamin E Acetate isn't allowed and there is no issue. With black market pens it's an effective agent for altering viscosity. This (besides the side effects) makes it a cheap and abundant cutting agent to make particular THC products thicker; such as... tinctures, then thickening it up (actual THC oil, aka honey oil, is WAY too thick to vaporize in 90% of vape pens. It doesn't even behave like oil or a syrup... it's like the syruppiest, stickiest syrup ever.. goop is a better word.); and while the THC itself will properly vaporize, the Vitamin E Acetate won't.
I know syrup is derived from sap, but sap is a better word. Super sticky sap. Not like maple tree sap; sticker, and it'll crystallize much faster if you let it (that's what shatter is).
As liquid nicotine also needs thickening, on a black market pen just for nicotine you might find it there as well. Normally glycerin is used, which is fine unless you like, literally breathe vaping, at which point you'll probably develop popcorn lung, which is a restriction on the pathways before the alveoli, causing pressure to build and then... they...
The point is, if you decide to get addicted to nicotine and opt against cigarettes (it's a bad idea no matter the method), get your liquid from a licensed source... and if you're going to vape THC or CBD, get it from a licensed source, and if you can't, buy a volcano or a bong and a bell or learn how to hot-knife.. or learn one of the dozen ancient ways to vape it without dealing with black market pens.. or make your own shit.
My personal favorite is the bell/bong. You heat up the bottom "platform" of the bell, which replaces the bowl, and then you put a small amount of oil on the heated bottom and it instantly vaporizes and as you
inhale, it goes into the bell and down the stem and into the water and back up again \>_>/ Torch necessary, but you don't end up inhaling butane, as the bottom is hawt enough. \<_</
Pretty sure this has been covered before, but eh. We know why smoking is kill, and everyone is aware of the health risks.
The vape however, a relatively new thing, unstudied and tested killed 30 or however many people within days of each other, and only recently just figured out the cause is a weakened immune response in the lungs due to fatty white blood cells which can't function. So yeah, they have a decent reason to ban it while the figure out how to stop the short term dying.
Well said. Vaping hasn’t even been around long enough to study long term cancer or other health risks. We know that regularly inhaling water vapor can effect the lungs and body- what if the other chemicals in the mixture? We don’t know. But people ARE dying and wether that’s because of lack of regulation or inherent danger to vaping it doesn’t matter. There is a perception of vaping as safe- many feel without nicotine its fine for kids to vape. Many adults feel it’s ok for them too without nicotine. Is it? We need to find out but why not let people know that vaping isn’t as safe as drinking a glass of water?
The running theory amongst people I know is this. Tobacco companies are funding the anti-vape movement. That way all those ex-smokers who turned to vaping can’t get their nicotine and go back to smoking, and people who started with vaping will start smoking. Vaping created a new generation of nicotine addicts and big tobacco would like very much to profit off of it. That’s why the only available flavours are to be menthol and tobacco, which is the flavour of a cigarette. Most people aren’t going to want to spend $30 on a bottle of unflavorful juice when they could spend $11 and get a pack of cigarettes for the same effect.
Also something of note is that the FDA said nothing about E-Liquids causing deaths in the first place. The whole thing started with CBD cartridges from China, which were tainted. The media ran with this and decided to turn on vaping.
A vial of liquid is about $13, and it will last you 5x longer than a carton of cigs, which is around $70. So... some of your information is misleading at the very least.
Where do you live with 13$ E-liquid and $70 packs of cigarettes? I vape. My boyfriend smokes. I spend $25-$30 a bottle on juice. He buys Marlboros. They cost 11-13 dollars a pack. And he doesn’t have to worry about coils.
DFW area. I haven't bought juice in awhile, but yeah, last time I bought some it was $13 fora little inch and a half vial, I think it's 100 mL, maybe 150 mL... I just looked at the vial and couldn't find the number. As for the pack/carton thing, yeah, I mean't a carton of 10 packs.
Oh. Okay. I’ve always referred to them interchangeably. But then again, I don’t smoke and never purchased cigarettes. I still don’t think it’s $70 but my boyfriend would know. I’ll ask. I live in NY and I bought a 60ml bottle of juice for $20 from a cheaper shop. And a 100ml is closer to $30.
A carton, in NY, is going to be much more expensive, probably around $100 a carton if he's paying $11 a pack already. I'd imagine there are some spots in NYC where it'll push $120 a carton; the taxes are a reason there has been a black market for cigs in NYC for so long... people bring them up from some place like North Carolina or Kentucky and then sell them out of their trunks. The cost of juice also seems to have been heavily impacted by taxes, so I'd imagine a huge black market for that has sprung up as well; not a good thing with those black market juices sometimes containing Vitamin C Acetate.
1) So they don't have to pay extra taxes, since they are demoting their own product, and thus aren't promoting bad health
2) Make Truth commercials so incredibly annoying, that you'll want to smoke out of cognitive dissonance.
The scary thing is, this all works. Top tobacco companies have spent an insane amount of research on human psychology, from individual to mass.
If you're going to smoke/vape, do it on your terms, and do what feels right for you.
The point is, if you decide to get addicted to nicotine and opt against cigarettes (it's a bad idea no matter the method), get your liquid from a licensed source... and if you're going to vape THC or CBD, get it from a licensed source, and if you can't, buy a volcano or a bong and a bell or learn how to hot-knife.. or learn one of the dozen ancient ways to vape it without dealing with black market pens.. or make your own shit.
My personal favorite is the bell/bong. You heat up the bottom "platform" of the bell, which replaces the bowl, and then you put a small amount of oil on the heated bottom and it instantly vaporizes and as you
The vape however, a relatively new thing, unstudied and tested killed 30 or however many people within days of each other, and only recently just figured out the cause is a weakened immune response in the lungs due to fatty white blood cells which can't function. So yeah, they have a decent reason to ban it while the figure out how to stop the short term dying.
Also something of note is that the FDA said nothing about E-Liquids causing deaths in the first place. The whole thing started with CBD cartridges from China, which were tainted. The media ran with this and decided to turn on vaping.