There's a difference between kneeling down and bending over [Antifa]

@willfree antifa's philosophy largely consists of:
"We don't like that guy. Let's smash his head with a bike lock. Or a sledgehammer. Or throw concrete milkshakes on him. Or burn buildings to the ground."
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Antifa 9 out of 10 times are worse than the people they claim to want to destroy. They want nothing short of complete submission and the destruction of anyone who speaks against them.
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They also have an alarming number of pedophiles in their ranks for some reason.
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But, as cakelover astutely points out, all people hear is the name.

@willfree going off name alone isn't the best move. Never forget the greatest democracy of our time the DPRK (Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea) aka North Korea.

This is the @xvarnah we've missed

@cakelover haha I have a distinct feeling that it may just have been you and maybe 2 other people that missed THIS particular side of me - but I will absolutely take it

To the comment that that terrible things have been done in the name of Antifa- terrible things have been done in the name of God, Canada, America, Family... etc. Plenty of people still felt that despite all the terrible things done in the name of the US flag, kneeling in protest of that was disgraceful. So to be clear- I don’t support Antifa and think they are overall a “bad” thing. BUT- that particular logic on why deserves some more examination, if a person is “against” BLM for example because of the bad parts of it- then are they against the USA as well since there is plenty of bad there too? What we forgive when we excuse something else in the same spirit is often a sign of our biases.

I have no idea if your intent with that was to call me bias specifically, but if so i will gladly and proudly say that I am very much bias against terrorism.
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At this point I've seen BLM weaponized far too many times in favour of supremacy, destruction, and domination.
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Both groups use tactics rarely seen since the days of the crusades - screaming moral superiority and using it as an excuse to decimate everything in their path. It's nothing short of tyranny.
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For BLM specifically I no longer associate that term with equality for anyone. The hells angels supposedly got their start as a group of war veterans forming a motorcycle club. And yet they are associated almost exclusively now with criminality.
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People want to fight for equality by all means, but as far as I'm concerned BLM as a term and as a group fell off that wagon right around the last time they burned shit to the ground, demanded racial discrimination in places of business, or smashed someone's head in the concrete.

Ignoring the fact that a lot of violent assaults, matter of public record/recorded incidents, in New York against the Jewish community are actively being encouraged by BLM/Antifa leadership, there's a reason many civil rights activists, older representatives who actually got sprayed with fire hoses and had dogs sicked on them in the 60's, are speaking out against these organizations. I'm 100% for equality, but when you see BLM and antifa tear apart and burn almost exclusively black or minority owned businesses in Minneapolis and say they're for minority rights? I doubt that... looks more like you want power and an excuse to burn everything down.

@Xvarnah- I didn’t mean to trigger your sensitivities and am sorry- I believe it may have been cakelover specifically who made the comment I referenced about bad things being done in the name of Antifa- I was also not calling out cakelover, merely stating that the logic which says that because bad things have been done under a name, that thing is bad, is itself flawed without qualification. I also was very clear that I consider Antifa “bad.”

To your more recent comments- you illustrate my point however. To borrow in paraphrase from your closing remarks- You say BLM lost legitimacy by burning things to the ground and smashing peoples heads (among their things.) But again- we can apply this same logic to, I will use the USA. Members and factions of America have committed outright atrocities in our war on terror or in the name of some ideal. Smashing heads, burning things, and more. So then- can we say that we must label all Police as corrupt racists because some have committed such acts acting under the mantle of law? All Soldiers are monsters if some commit war crimes? All of America or Canada or wherever- all citizens must be judged by the worst actions of their peers, even if they were not involved directly?

You didn't trigger my anything? You made a comment, I replied. That's usually the way comment sections work in my experience. Or else I've been doing them wrong my entire life - either option is equally likely.
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And I am aware you said you consider antifa bad. That's why my comment focused mostly on BLM.

I understand people are very eager to lump all black people in with BLM. I don't understand that urge, but to each their own. No different than lumping all white people in with nazis imo. It's not something I will engage in, so if you're going to, then this conversation is already pointless.
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That out of the way - the fact that anyone thinks the minority of the BLM group haven't participated, encouraged, and/or benefitted from the atrocities BLM commits tells me that person has had their eyes closed for the past several years.
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You can pull in as many goups as you want, at the end of the day I will still call a spade a spade, and BLM's tactics are far too reminiscent of everything I've seen neo-nazis groups engage in as well

To address these in order:
1. My apologies for causing you sensitive had to do with your opening question as to my comment being aimed at you- when it was not aimed at anyone, but referenced a comment by another user and not you- the logical assumption there would be you were unclear as to wether you were being referenced, but I had given no reason for you to think you were being referenced, thusly it was my extrapolation that you were sensitive to something in my comment or else you wouldn’t have had the thought that it was specifically aimed at you.

2. Not all black people are part of BLM of course, so you aren’t grouping all black peoples with BLM- but not all people supporting BLM are involved with or supporting the more extreme acts you describe. The KKK is by its existence a hate group. BLM is not a hate group. Members of BLM may be extremists. Again- this is like saying because the president wants to build a border wall- all Americans are racist, or all American politicians hate Mexicans. Reframing who we lump in yo the group isn’t important to context of labeling an entire group based on some members of supporters. There is also the fact that black lives matter as an organization is separate from the political movement that black lives matter- even if the two are related.

The federal gaming commission is in charge of casinos, but casinos aren’t owned and operated by the Federal Gaming commission. Owning a casino or attending a casino does not make one part of the federal gaming commission. Related, but separate. It happens to be easily conflated however since the sentiment that black lives matter happens to share the words used for the name of a political organization called black lives matter.

3. Minor note on phrasing: “spade” is a racial slur for black people. I assume it was unintentional and you may be unaware as it is somewhat antiquated. But it might be best in future discussions- especially about race relations with black people- to choose a different home spun saying. That is merely information from me to you, and obviously you are free to do with it, or disregard it, as you like; but I figured it’s better you be aware so you can make an informed choice as I could potentially see a problem arising at some point.

All groups of people are judged on the amount of good done vs amount of bad done. Once the bad outweighs the good, the group is percieved as bad. Therefore the many can be judged by the acts of the few if the few do enough damage to the reputation of the many.

"I had given no reason for you to think you were being referenced."
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Weirdly disingenuous flex, but okay
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1. You literally replied to my comment,
2. On a thread I was heavily involved in
3. On a post I made, aaaand
4. You have accused me of bigotry and various other things in the past.
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Not to mention whether you were addressing me specifically or not, my response was addressing the general idea that being against BLM makes someone bias.
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This isn't the first time you've tried to say I'm over-sensitive either. All I can say is you must not be good at reading my tone on here or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

3. All a spade is to me is a gardening tool, or a suit in a deck of cards. "Calling a spade a spade" is a very common saying. If someone hears that saying and immediately goes to racism just because the people involved aren't exclusively white... all I can say is projection.
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I'm not giving power to some bizarre outdated terminology that has nothing to do with what I was saying just because people might get offended.

@xvarnah-
1. I cant reply to an earlier comment, that’s not how the threads work here. You can only reply in chain and reference an earlier comment or poster to make clear what you are referring to.
2./3. Your level of involvement is irrelevant. The chef is heavily involved in cooking a meal, but if you ask for a waiter the chef generally doesn’t assume you are speaking to them. The fact I didn’t mention you, or reference anything you said might be good context that you were not being specifically spoken to.
4. I’m not here to talk about you. Never was. Wasn’t even talking to you until you referenced me directly. Are you sensitive? Are you bigoted? I dunnoh. Everyone can be sensitive about certain things and bigoted about certain things. I’m not calling you a bigot here- to be clear, nor am I here to discuss your biases on this issue if any exist. Ironically- my mention of bias was a general comment to all reading the thread about self awareness.

You mention that I’ve called you a bigot before, or sensitive before- thusly illustrating that you do seem to have some sensitivity to perceptions that I would call you those things. Reinforcing my extrapolation that you mistook my neutral statement that wasn’t directed at anyone, and most of all not you, and didn’t reference you at all- as referring to you- and I apologized for any ambiguity which would cause you through internal thought process to think I was.

On the subject of my original post- it’s core message being a level of critical thought and self awareness- if you get called a bigot enough to develop a sensitivity level which would lead you to believe you were being called a bigot when you aren’t mentioned or referred to...... there might be something deeper going on there than coincidence. But this is, like the spade comment, something just for your benefit to ponder if you care to, or just keep trucking as you see fit. I have little stake in it as it is your life.

As to your second 3. As I said- more power to you. I was merely giving you information, knowledge. Knowledge is the currency of the 21st century and I am a philanthropist in that regard. Don’t care what your opinion is. Didn’t ask. You didn’t offend me- I told you it was my assumption you meant nothing by it, I was merely pointing out that the choice of phrase was coincidentally a racial slur and in context to the subject matter COULD potentially cause here, or if used in the future, a misunderstanding or issue that could be avoided; and now you know if you didn’t before. You’re welcome.

@guest_ Get off your high horse mate.

This is what they always do. And as soon as anyone disagrees with them they start throwing out walls of text in an attempt to browbeat them into submission.