Disclaimer: What happened is a tragedy and proper training and safety protocols should have been enforced. I, and my fellow gun lovers, always want absolute safety with firearms. I will however make fun of Alec Baldwin regardless. The memes I found are just too funny.
it's all on the armourer, nicholas cage walked off set on her first role as the armorer, she discharged live rounds without announcing it. Carried loaded guns under her armpits, pointing at people behind her, failed all the basic gun safeties, and allowed the gun in question to be taken for "fun" shooting offset, and didn't check the gun when returned. She's the one that needs to be put in jail.
I agree the memes are funny. I retain the thought it was only a third of his fault... my man was making doodles as it happened. You can't make that shit up; motherfucking doodles.
I agree. Only partially responsible but the depth of his failure is great. He should have sought firearms training beforehand. Being anti-gun left him unprepared though.
It wasn’t even his fault and sadly he have to live the rest of his life knowing he killed someone. It has already been eating away at him I feel so sorry not just for the woman who died and the man that was hurt but for Alec Baldwin as well. As for the FUCKING IDIOT ASSHOLE who fault this is really either from neglect or from doing it on purpose I pray they get caught VERY SOON so their victims all 3 (yes Alec Baldwin is a victim as well) can have justice!
As I understand it he pointed a gun at someone without checking himself that it was clear. That's the cardinal sin of firearm handling
Other people may also have been at fault, but if he did what I've outlined then he is definitely at fault as well
So he discharged the weapon
- Negligently
- Without proper instruction or supervision
- Without being certain of his arc of fire
- After much of the crew left the set OF HIS MOVIE over firearms safety violations
And this is somehow not his fault?
I love when I can see the spin that conservative media shows up in your comments. The people walked off the job because they were working 13 hour days and the production company wouldn’t get them hotel rooms nearby so they had a long commute.
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As for Baldwin, yeah, he failed to check the gun himself and trusted someone that in retrospect he shouldn’t have. He pulled the trigger so it’s his fault but fault and liability aren’t the same thing. Accidents happen.
none of the above. He was drawing and pointed it for a scene, at the camera for a specific shot. He assumed blanks; not a terrible assumption for an actor. Again, he deserves 1/3 of the blame, as even when assuming blanks you should check.
About the scene, the entire fucking point is him not even looking.. he's just gonna go bang without looking. Recipe for disaster in every conceivable way.
@scatmandingo Uuh....none of that is true. He was facing a camerawoman and the director, pulled the prop gun on them, and pulled the trigger expecting it to be blanks, since that's what the ammo should have been. He most likely was doing it as a joke since there is a rumour about the conversation being had between the three of them. This is a simple example of gun safety and knowledge. Nothing else. Chill out and laugh once in a while.
he was handed a gun by the director and told it was empty. Having been in that position many times throughout his career, he wouldn't have doubted that.
@scatmandingo Start next time by mentioning the affidavit. I went through six sites to find what you mentioned. The article I found says the camera woman and director were in the room. For a pistol round to go through a wall, through a human, and wound a second person is something I don't believe is possible. Either way, the point of this is not to breakdown an incident neither of us were at while it's still being investigated.
@iccarus If he was trained he would have checked the gun as he should have. I'm still highly suspicious of how a live round got on set. That is an incredible amount of negligence or intent.
So he was off by himself with no visual of others without walls and hit two people. As my father says "Clear as mud? Good." Thanks for the updates and perspective, bud.
@adam44 live round got on set, as crew took it for shooting after hours for "fun", they handed it back with a live round in it. The armorer failed to check the gun properly.
I didn't know it wasn't a scene, just rehearsing it. Still, I stand by my argument there is plenty of blame to go around. This incident really is tragic.
blame mostly on the armorer, they are responsible to locking the guns up after shooting, cleaning and maintaining them, and when bringing them out for the day, checking them always. Her father was apparently a legend in the industry, that's how she got the job.
Other people may also have been at fault, but if he did what I've outlined then he is definitely at fault as well
- Negligently
- Without proper instruction or supervision
- Without being certain of his arc of fire
- After much of the crew left the set OF HIS MOVIE over firearms safety violations
And this is somehow not his fault?
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As for Baldwin, yeah, he failed to check the gun himself and trusted someone that in retrospect he shouldn’t have. He pulled the trigger so it’s his fault but fault and liability aren’t the same thing. Accidents happen.