You know that they can not necessarily just eat what they are given right? For instance pork or any animal by product which is not slaughtered properly. And if you keep people in inhumane conditions for prolonged time they will probably not have the courtesy of throwing their trash into the bins. Have you ever seen the aftermath of any concert, music festival etc? It is much worse than this.
Do not forget these people are running from an evil that the west has initially created and financed. You are afraid of just a handful of ISIS militants coming to your own backyard, while these people had their homes and lives ruined by them. So before commenting with your racist bullshit just think for a second about what they have been through and who had a huge contribution to this. The real pictures to be seen by everyone are of the Hungarian "woman reporter" kicking helpless refugees or little Aylan drowned and washed ashore at 3 years of age. Believe me we are in no way better than them.
It would seem it would be best that they went to countries that better cater to their needs right? With rich powerful resources and similar religious and cultural values... Oh wait that's right, those countries are refusing refugees because they don't want to deal with them. Qatar, Jordan, Turkey and a few others aren't excepting these refugees with open arms and yet the whole world expects the west to open their doors which they are doing anyway. You could say the West helped created ISIS sure but who keeps the Syrian dictator in power who has been hampering down on this civil war in Syria since 2010? Not the U.S. But good old Russia. There are always two sides to every story so don't just assume the west is solely responsible when you have your Asian neighbors who also look the other way in times of crisis. They should bear the responsibility too.
Are you kidding me? Turkey already has the most refugees. Most refugees stay in the neighbouring countries of their home country. They don't leave for Europe. 86% of the world's refugees live in developing countries. The majority of refugees does not go to the west. The countries with the most refugees are Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Iran, Ethiopia, Jordan, Kenia, Chad and Uganda. Only 5% of refugees come to Europe.
Mcyurdal, the consumption of forbidden foods is only permitted in dire situations. Pork, among other things, can be consumed without harm or repercussion if the situation leads to them starving to death. The way the media is portraying this is that those involved are in a dire situation so if they're denying food then they aren't in a dire situation.
Couple of facts here:
1) I think you are confusing being a refugee with being poor. The term refers to people who are not safe at their home countries and may be facing the possibility of death, which leads them to seek "refuge" in a safer country. A refugee does not necessarily have to starve to be considered "legit". Being in dire situation also does not necessarily only correspond to not having food.
2) Turkey has around 2.5 million Syrian refugees and is still accepting many more. Lebanon has a very high number as well so look up the facts before posting an ignorant comment. The fact that some Arab countries are not willing to accept refugees does not justify the ridiculous nature of Europe not being able to deal with 10 times less then even Turkey is able to accommodate.
3) Isis being initially funded by the West, I am not even going to discuss it, since even the US is not denying this fact. Just look up AbuBakir Al-Baghdadi's pictures with McCain for reference.
4)Permissibility of eating Haram in Islam is exclusively reserved for life or death situations, and I am pretty sure these people would not qualify according to many scholars. Please do not claim people can use this exception, without knowing what it pertains to. Again, I will have to reiterate, these people are not necessarily there because they are starving, but because they are ruining away from war.
Ok to clear up #3 ISIS was being funded before it was ISIS to oppose the syrian dictator also the reason they have US made arms and equipment is because they where captured from the Iraqi army whom we where supplying.
Theres always someone left to fight as long as there are people in the world somebody somewhere will find a reason to keep fighting its our job to stop it before it happens
Another thing which is so wrong about this post is the word "migrants". These people are not immigrants, they are refugees. I won't even get started about the racist policies of the western world towards immigration, but these people are not even there for better life standard, they are just trying to not get killed by a war which they have not started and has no end in sight. Wanting to end up on a richer country, where they would not starve is quite human I would say.
@texasranger besides the fact that the claim about US funding ISIS before it was ISIS is so naive on multiple levels ( also so was US funding the Taliban+Al Quaidee against Russians, Al Nusra against Asad, Saddam against Iran etc. before they all turned into what ever at the end) It doesn't change the fact that it ended up destabilizing the whole region. Without going into whether it was with good intensive or otherwise, if you destabilize a country and then bomb the hell out of it afterwards. I guess you should not be surprised if people want to get the hell out of there.
I guess it was also wrong of me to only talk about ISIS as there are people from all over the middle east amongst these refugees. I guess people in this thread claiming the west had nothing to do with this crisis are also going to claim that there were weapons of mass destruction in Irak, and the west had nothing to do with the gulf wars, Afghanistan etc. either
Lastly what pisses me off so much about discussions like this post is the people in the west playing the victim. There is only one victim in this story and they are the refugees, who had their
whole lives turned upside down by the events they had no say in. So the question now is not about oh how devastating it would be for Europe to accept a few thousand refugees, but rather how " humane " or " civilized" people in the west are willing to be.
Refugees or no refugees they are not the problem as long as ISIS is left to roam free killing at will there will continue to be more refugees so somebody has to step and stop them before say oh i dont know another war starts with Iran or in Eastern Europe with Russia or in the Korean peninsula or idk in Kashmir the point is the west should be pointing the finger at ISIS not other "western" countries
@mcyurdal
By definition they are not refugees. A refugee someone fleeing an actively hostile country under threat to their lives. Once they reach a safe country they're not refugees. No, when you're shopping around and looking for the nation that will give you the most free stuff you are an economic migrant and an illegal one at that. Good on Hungary for saying enough is enough with these people.
So you are telling me that "By definition" you can only be a refugee if you flee to a neighboring country? WOW how convenient that must be for Europe! Yeah, that is why they have asylum centers and rules across Europe all the way up to Scandinavia
I'm pretty sure that bus was overflowing with people - so no wonder it looks like that. If 100,000s of people have to stay next to a highway where there are no toilets and no bins what do you think will happen? And then comes a few busses and they all run and try to get on those busses because they know there wont be space for all of them. They wont stay behind and clean up. They are desperate. and like I said: There are no bins on a meadow next to a highway. Everyone who complains about these situations: I want to see you living under the exact same conditions as these refugees and we'll see how you behave when you are that desperate.
Stupid, right winged populistic polemic. Ever seen an area after a festival? That is the way it looks and I bet you, this picture is the aftermath of such a festival. Dear Lord, think before you share nonsense - you have a working brain to critically question "The (supposed) Truth".
Ignorance is so damn high here. They are from the middle east not Africa. Let me make it simple for you, since I am pretty sure you will have a hard time comprehending basic geography. Middle east is not in Africa. Wow people can really be idiots and yet still comment and insult as if they are not retarded themselves
Guess why they left the place in this state? Because hungary wouldn't fucking let them through! The immigrants in croatia actually collect their garbage and throw it away, they eat the food they are given and appreciate it. Why? Because they're the first nation to treat them like humans, that's why.
Scary shit.
Do not forget these people are running from an evil that the west has initially created and financed. You are afraid of just a handful of ISIS militants coming to your own backyard, while these people had their homes and lives ruined by them. So before commenting with your racist bullshit just think for a second about what they have been through and who had a huge contribution to this. The real pictures to be seen by everyone are of the Hungarian "woman reporter" kicking helpless refugees or little Aylan drowned and washed ashore at 3 years of age. Believe me we are in no way better than them.
1) I think you are confusing being a refugee with being poor. The term refers to people who are not safe at their home countries and may be facing the possibility of death, which leads them to seek "refuge" in a safer country. A refugee does not necessarily have to starve to be considered "legit". Being in dire situation also does not necessarily only correspond to not having food.
2) Turkey has around 2.5 million Syrian refugees and is still accepting many more. Lebanon has a very high number as well so look up the facts before posting an ignorant comment. The fact that some Arab countries are not willing to accept refugees does not justify the ridiculous nature of Europe not being able to deal with 10 times less then even Turkey is able to accommodate.
3) Isis being initially funded by the West, I am not even going to discuss it, since even the US is not denying this fact. Just look up AbuBakir Al-Baghdadi's pictures with McCain for reference.
I guess it was also wrong of me to only talk about ISIS as there are people from all over the middle east amongst these refugees. I guess people in this thread claiming the west had nothing to do with this crisis are also going to claim that there were weapons of mass destruction in Irak, and the west had nothing to do with the gulf wars, Afghanistan etc. either
whole lives turned upside down by the events they had no say in. So the question now is not about oh how devastating it would be for Europe to accept a few thousand refugees, but rather how " humane " or " civilized" people in the west are willing to be.
By definition they are not refugees. A refugee someone fleeing an actively hostile country under threat to their lives. Once they reach a safe country they're not refugees. No, when you're shopping around and looking for the nation that will give you the most free stuff you are an economic migrant and an illegal one at that. Good on Hungary for saying enough is enough with these people.