Good news everyone!

ooh thought of a 4th! Ted Cruz. I don't like Cruz.
For me it's more like... If I could bring the scenery of coastal NorCal and the pot to Texas... that'd be perfect. I guess it's the same? I mean... I wouldn't trade a slightly cooler Ohio or Iowa for North Texas even if they had legal pot. Corn... and theennnnn... corn.... and theeennnnn.... corn.... and theeeeennnn... soy!... and thennnn lol

I'm more of a Pacific Northwest/New England kinda guy. I was exaggerating when I said fifty degrees. Like, if Washington state suddenly developed a love of guns and personal accountability, and a disdain for identity politics, it would be perfect.

dude 50 degrees would be Alaska at best. NorCal and the Pacific NW are the same so we agree there. I'd be down with NE if I didn't have to deal with them sports-wise. I'm a Manning fan and by extension a Giants fan. I love the stadium JJ built football-wise all he did was make it way more fun for me to be obnoxious. Also... Seattle is amazing and you'd probably find all of that if you went far enough inland that you couldn't find a Wal-Mart or Target for 10-15 miles.

I finally have to get around to watching Apocalypse Now though... I said I was gonna watch it 2 days ago and a lot of stuff has held me back; you included! Lol.

You've never seen Apocalypse Now?! Why didn't you tell me you were trying to watch it, I wouldn't have been offended, go! Go watch it, now!

And after that, if you haven't seen Full Metal Jacket, watch Full Metal Jacket!

No I've seen it... I saw it when I was like 12 lol (my dad didn't GAF about ratings)... Something a few days ago reminded me about it and I wanted to watch it but I couldn't find the DVD so I DL'd it.
The fact it's based on Heart of Darkness and Heart of Darkness doesn't hold a candle too it is amazing.... Best War Movie/HoD tale of all time and it's not close. I have FMJ on dvd... but I only watch it when I hear a friend hasn't seen it... so about 2x per year.
God what do you think I am... a monster? Never seeing Apocalypse Now....
Frankly I'm a little salty lol.

I'm sorry, dude, it's just, the way you said it, sounded like you hadn't seen it.

It's aite bro.

The horror.... The horror...... <-----if you say that and someone says "what?" sit their asses down.

I don't understand, Texas is perfectly sensible. Always has been.

That's sarcasm, right?

Nope. The only thing I can think of that's kinda stupid is the transgender bathroom thing, but even then I can at least see where they're coming from.

https://www.good.is/articles/texas-prevents-non-christian-adoption
texas is idiotic when it comes to religion and anything that goes conflicts with traditional christian values but other than that its a good place

Exactly. This guy is a murderer and should be charged as one. This goes against national law and is illegal for Texas to do such a thing.

Did you read the story? The man caught the other man raping his five year old daughter behind a barn which obviously caused him to go into a rage and beat the shit out of him. However, the father did call 911 and the rapist was still alive during the calls. He later died of his injuries. It's not like the rapist was in jail and they just let the father beat him to death, and under state law deadly force is authorized and justified in order to stop sexual assault, which is what he was doing, he caught the rapist literally with his pants around his ankles.

So it's only manslaughter. Great. Going into a rage doesn't mean it's alright for you to kill a man. His sentence should have been lighter in such a case but the fact remains that he needlessly attacked a man outside of self-defense (The second the man went unconscious, which would happen much before serious injuries were given, it was no longer self-defense.)

I'll admit that I thought this story was just the same one I heard a while back about a guy who instead of catching the man, actively searched for him with the sole purpose of killing him, and, although it lowers the man's sentence, the man is still guilty of manslaughter.

Not in Texas, he's not.

Perhaps not legally but he still murdered a man. He needs to be punished or else it advertises that "Frame someone for [insert crime] and you're allowed to kill them!"

so a man needs to be punished for saving his daughter from a rapist? That's like saying a woman should be imprisoned who kills a man who attempts to rape her.

Yes. It's more like saying that since you used excessive force you will be punished for it.

Well, luckily for us, you don't make the laws. An individual deserves the right to defend their family, community, and property from any and all IMMEDIATE threats, using whatever force they deem necessary. It's part of the reason our founding fathers gave us the second amendment.

also, this was on HIS property. Texas is serious about defending stuff on your own property; if you get shot while trying to mess with a chicken the court would side with whomever shot you.

Spiderman, let me ask you this, do you think he deserved what he got? The rapist that is

No. Rape is hardly a good thing but the punishment he got is not deserving of the crime. Even so let's pretend that murder is a fit punishment for rape - it still wasn't delivered by the proper authorities. Nobody, except those deemed fit of the responsibility, should punish another. It's why the Jury System is broken - you don't give those who have no idea what they're doing permission to do something.

If you don't understand that then let me take it to a more obvious example such as getting life in prison for stealing a single piece of candy from Walmart.

Okay so now im no where near on your side. Do you understand he RAPED A FIVE YEAR OLD. He deserves worse than what he got. Idk what id do if someone would do that to my child. Jeez, not all life is precious, he did one of the worst things someone could do to a person, no, a child, and you are defending him. Youre disgusting

Let's go into the source of the matter. Why is rape wrong? It is wrong, most certainly, but if we are to get into what a fit punishment for rape is then we must decide WHY it is wrong.

It doesnt take a genius to understand why forcibly taking advantage of someones body that could end in severe trama and mental health issues is wrong

Rape is hardly traumatic and mental issues can be healed. It may be the ASPD my therapist told me about but I do not see how a one-time event that merely pertains sex, if a bit hardcore, is so terrible. I personally do not see it too terribly, but instead somewhat below theft.

Rape seems to be fairly meager as murder goes. Rape is usually a one-time event that causes temporary bruises and some mental damages - although I would argue that if rape can mentally damage you then you were already damaged. How does giving someone a few bruises and in need of a few good therapy sessions worthy of death?

To me it seems that you are merely faking being so outraged due to society constantly faking outrage. Give me reasons it is so terrible. Taking advantage of somebody's body is not nearly as bad as you seem to be implying.

But perhaps it's just my mental issues although I'd argue that I do not have the issue but the clarity to see other ones.

That's... no. Just no.

That's... hardly an answer.

Im done agruing as you seem to be as ignorant as someone else i was arguing with recently (im not gonna name anyone but his name starts with drench). Minimizing the rape of a child is one of the most disgusting things i have come across on this website and talking with you further will only result in more completely stupid remarks on your end

Well, you already named him just by doing that. Measuring a cube is not making it smaller - it's simply getting a true measure on it's size.

(Yes i know that was the joke, you are sooo smart)
And i dont know what youre trying to convey with that last sentence but okay. Btw thurd didnt really need to directly answer you because anyone with common sense understands how dumb that comment and you are

Ah yes, avoiding the question by dismissing it as common knowledge or by using ad hominem attacks. Did you expect such common tactics to be missed by me? Surely you knew that you were not speaking to your average internet user.

Here are some links that you'll find useful no doubt.

https://english.stackexchange.com/a/181510

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Did you really say that, "rape is hardly traumatic"?

No id rather not waste my time with pointless activities, if i had known you were as stupid as you were, i wouldnt have started arguing in the first place. You can walk out of here thinking you have won if you want, i dont care, but me not wanting to waste my time with someone as dumb as you is not a crime. So yeah, i guess ignorance is bliss (on your part)

You seemed to have learned from Trump. Merely dismissing an argument merely means that "Oh, you're right but I don't like losing so I'll just insult you!" It's the adult equivalent of saying "your momma".

Nope, you are just ignoring what im saying because you think you are right. And im not just insulting, just stating my opinion, because you are honestly one of the most stupid people ive ever had the pleasure arguing with. You arent right but at this point, as ive said, you clearly arent any type of smart so you assume youve won. If you so desperately want to continue this arguement, you can kake a chat and @ me, but i really dont want to talk to you anymore because you disgust me

...So you're still avoiding the question? Is it due to inability or ignorance?

Still avoiding what question, as there was not a single question mark in that last comment of yours
As a hypocrit will do of course, you havent addressed any of the repeated points ive made

You have still yet to explain why rape is wrong. You have not made any points. You've simply made remarks to try to get me off topic and forget about your incompetence.

DICKHEAD
I dont understand why something so simple needs to be explained. And i did explain in my sarcastic comment. Why dont you explain why murder is so wrong

Aside from the violence and psycholigical trauma that was inflicted upon a child, you mean, or do you need more reasons that raping a child is wrong?

>letting your feelings prevent you from debating
This is most entertaining.

Yeah i dont feel like debating so i wont? Wow thats a new concept

Murder is wrong because it takes away the only chance at life a person has. Everything they have been, will be, and currently are is taken away. They lose the chance to experience life, to learn, to seek happiness... Murder it the ultimate crime and death the ultimate punishment. It should

@chakun Injury and trauma are reasons for rape to be considered wrong, true, however it merely puts it on the same level as losing a fight - not at all worthy of death.

@german_satan
Then why are you still talking to someone who's trying to debate?

I'm pretty sure rape is waaaay more traumatic than just losing a fight. I can't tell you for certain, because I've never been raped, but I have had my ass kicked before, and, while it hurt physically for quite a while, mentally, I was no worse for wear, whereas this child will bear the mental scars of her rape for the rest of her life.

Not really. But why? Getting taken advantage of is something that occurs everyday on even larger scales. Why is a one-time thing so traumatic? The lack of control? For a few minutes? Imagine lacking control for decades. Rape is a lesser crime and does not deserve death.

Have you ever been raped?

Nope but I also haven't been to the moon yet I am able to observe it and draw conclusions. Have you ever taken 100 sticks and divided them into piles of 10?

You may be able to observe the moon, and draw conclusions based on those observations, but you'll never be able to tell me what it is like to actually be on the moon. Considering we're talking emotions and psychology here, that would be like telling me Neil Armstrong didn't feel whatever he felt while on the moon, because you observed the moon from afar, and it can't possibly be like what he described.

Yes I can. I can see the low gravity, see what the surface is like, estimate how dense it is, guess what materials make the surface, and all other things. Did you think we didn't know anything about the moon until we went there? Anyone who is damaged by mental trauma via rape wasn't - it merely revealed or expanded upon the trauma similar to how power doesn't corrupt but reveals corruption. I will admit that I have little to no experience with most emotions but I DO know enough to infer what is reasonable and what is not. With just scientific data, I can tell you exactly what it will feel like to walk on the moon. With just psychological data and some background on the person, I can tell you what said person is likely to feel. But I haven't walked onto the moon. Personal experience is not needed to judge a topic - if anything it allows you to look at it from an unbiased pov.

No, you can't tell me what it feels like to walk on the moon. You can make a really good guess, but you don't know for sure unless you go yourself. And what the fuck does that sentence mean? "Anyone who is damaged by mental trauma via rape wasn't- it merely revealed or expanded upon the trauma..." What the hell does that mean? That little girl didn't have any trauma to be expanded upon BEFORE SHE WAS RAPED.

The fact that something so minor made such an impact merely indicates towards it the person already being extremely mentally ill.

I think you're the mentally ill one here. Do you have some sort of disassociative disorder, or something?

I have ASPD and although I never learned the specifics I believe my therapists told me I was a sociopath. So yes, I do have what most call a mental illness although I see it completely differently. I see it as being able to see things for what they are. If anything, it is an advantage. I'll admit that it makes it difficult for me to understand why people get upset over such simply topics such as death, crime, religion, and so many other aspects, however in the end it is an advantage. I have learnt to show that I care even if I don't as to not stand out. It's the reason I like the internet. It allows me to speak my thoughts honestly without having to adjust them to the social setting.

Also dissociative disorder usually implies multi-personality disorder. I have no other me. I am me and me alone - even if I pretend otherwise sometime. Were you referring to another topic or just misinformed?

I guess I was thinking of the wrong disorder, but the fact that you have aspd explains a lot.

(Warning: graphic descriptions)
As someone who was raped when I was about 8-9 years old, I gotta tell you that it IS a traumatic experience. Maybe it's different when you're an adult because you know what sex is about, I can't tell and it would require the input of someone who has this experience, but as a kid it was such a trauma that it literally changed my personality. I used to be an active kid, playful and extrovert, then I suddenly changed into an introvert with anxiety and a self confidence below zero. When this stuff happens to you as a kid, you don't know what is happening, you just know that you don't want it to happen, that it's bad and that it hurts and that you're suddenly bleeding out of parts you almost didn't know you had. And that it was done by someone you knew, someone you trusted. That they decided to use their physical power over you to hurt you and use you for no other reason than their own pleasure. So I think you're very much underestimating this. (continued)

I think you might want to read some Freud, he explains that traumas from childhood are very likely to impact your psyche for life (compared to if the same things happened to you as an adult). I'm guessing that you're a dude so you've rarely encountered the topic of rape or sexual assault. That, along with your disorder, makes you unfit for debating the emotional part of this issue, because your emotional side is dulled and so you naturally overestimate the physical damages and underestimate the mental damages. Now, I can partly understand your point of view. I too find it difficult to understand why people dwell on superstitions, traditions, religion etc. I find those useless and sentimental. However, please understand that when it comes to the human psyche, you don't have the needed insight, that is unless you have a degree in psychology.
But I agree that the man should be punished somehow. Eye for an eye doesn't work. Let the state handle it, vigilantism isn't real justice.

I disagree. It was hardly vigilantism. He caught the rapist in the act, and beat him to get him off of his daughter. That hardly qualifies as vigilantism, more like defending his daughter. If the rapist had been arrested and then released, and then the father hunted him down and killed him, then that would be vigilantism, but that's not what happened.

The laws are very crappy when it comes to self defense, really. Well, at least in my country, not sure about the US or specifically Texas. In my country you can defend yourself, your family or your property but you can't throw one extra punch than what is considered "necessary self defense" because then the person can sue you and win. This happened to my teacher's friend, he got ambushed by three guys who wanted to mug him but since he has a black belt in Judo, he broke their arms and legs because of the adrenaline rush, but it was deemed "too much" and he either went to jail or paid a big fine, I'm not sure which now. So I definitely get where you're coming from. I also understand that affect or rage play a role here, you see your kid being assaulted, of course it makes you angrier than anything. But I think some punishment is in order, even if it's just a small fine, y'know more of a symbolic thing. The father did kill a man, even though the man was a despicable scum of the Earth.

Are you against the death penalty

Nah, I think he was doing the world a service. Punishing him for defending his daughter is just telling the populace, "Hey, you better not defend yourself or your family, because you'll be punished. Just rely on the police, aka, the government for everything." It isn't the police's Job to protect you. Sure, they will when they can, but it should always fall on you to protect yourself. That's why we let ourselves have guns.

I dont believe "everyone deserves to live". Im sorry, i just dont. Im glad someone like that is gone and no one else has to have the dissatisfaction of meeting or conversing with him.

I'm torn on the issue. I don't want my tax money to provide shelter for serial killers, rapists and similar scumbags, but at the same time there are multiple problems with it, such as that we don't always know if we got the right person and we might kill an innocent. A law student also told me some time ago that it takes about 13 years for the procedure to go through, so the money is feeding the bastard for a couple of years anyway, a few more years might not make that much of a difference. Not to mention that there have been several cases of the killer drugs not working properly and the inmate was suffering like hell before dying, in some instances they had to give them another dose because they just suffered and didn't die, which is just cruel and inhumane. Also, the Scandinavian countries are a great example of the fact that rehabilitation is a far better method than tough punishment.

Ok but not punishing him at all is kind of a slippery slope that could potentially lead to "You can kill people if you accuse them of something when telling the cops about it." Again I don't think it should be a big punishment, more of a small symbolic fine to tell him "Hey just don't kill people."

In that situation, the rapist should be prepared for retaliation. They shouldnt fine him as a sign for other rapists as in, "you can rape someone but dont expect us to help you when you die". Also, it majes sure people in the future arent dicouraged when helping a rape victim

It's not like they just accepted him at his word. They investigated his claims, witnesses were called and all that. If they had found that the man had not attempted to rape his daughter, he would have been charged with murder. Crazy as it sounds, and contrary to popular belief, us Texans aren't just a bunch of stupid hillbilly chucklefucks who kill eachother for no reason.

@ewqua It seems you were merely mentally unprepared. You should have grown up faster as to not have such trauma occur. I blame your guardians and every relevant influence you at the time for not preparing you for reality - I myself am preparing my younger sister and trying to force her to mature quickly. As she is only 4 it is a slow process but the older she gets the easier it will become.

Dude, don't do that. Unless she has the same mental disorder, you're just gonna fuck her up for life.

You are just an idiot spider. Your bad decisions will inflict her life badly and i feel sorry for her

Yes of course it was investigated. But I said it might be a slippery slope that could *potentially* lead to something worse.
@sir_spiderman What the fuck? "You should have grown up faster"? That's really fucked up. I was 8, and I wasn't raised as a spoiled brat either, but for fuck's sake I was a little kid. Hurr durr you should prepare young girls for being violently raped because that's reality. You know, nevermind preparing young boys for… not raping maybe?
Let your sister be a kid for fuck's sake, she's 4, she doesn't want or need to hear about this crap. Forcing maturity is not good for the child's brain either. She's gonna grow up uncreative and boring as fuck. You're not gonna make her more mature, you're just gonna make her paranoid and jumpy and fear every man she meets. Disorder or no, it clearly shows that you know nothing about psychology. So stop pretending that your disorder helps you see things more clearly, it doesn't, it just takes the emotion out of your ignorance.

If anything I am simply improving her. How is cleaning the waste off a window destroying it?

You arent improving her you dimwit, you are taking away her childhood and i hope her parents take her away from you

For the last time: Human. Psyche. Does. Not. Work. Like. That.
You're not improving her, that's just not how this works. Read a book or two, you're spewing bullshit, that analogy is so wrong. If anything, I could counter it by saying that you're "cleaning" a painting by wiping everything, good and bad, and making it blank and disgustingly boring. You really make the impression that you think you're some kind of superhuman because of your disorder, that not having emotions is good. But you're wrong, you're just as misguided and ignorant as most people, you just think that because someone's arguments don't invoke an emotion within you, you're somehow above it and superior. Not having facts and being outraged is in the end the same as not having facts and being calm. It's still not having facts, and therefore being wrong.

@ewqua Rapists know not to rape. They simply do not care. I am not meaning to prepare children to be raped but to instead prepare them for the reality of the world. If one is traumatized by the lack of control or betrayal of trust then they shouldn't have trusted said person while the lack of control is merely an expansion of the lack of control they previously felt.

Well fucking teach them why they should not. Raise good people dont ruin children

Plus trauma runs in the family. My mother was abused by her second husband, my sister and I by the same person as our mother, my two other brothers by the first (My father), one of the brothers is in prison for 10 years now while the other fell and lost most of his memories at the age of 12, my father was rather poor and unsuccessful as a child, and the list goes on. Think of it as an initiation. At least my sister won't be broken for years with little knowledge on how to control her mind as I was. It wasn't until I met my brother that I properly began to understand and control myself. A large portion of sociopath is extreme amounts of anger but he taught me to funnel them into more useful things. I shall be sure to teach my sister such a thing before it can do harm.

I grow tired of this thread. If you wish to hear more about the "Teach Men Not To Rape" watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcHM0s4o

Good cause i am tired of listening to your idiocy

Oh, you grow tired of this thread? Good, now shut the fuck up, you pretentious prick.

Tbh i thought you were cool before, but you really ruined that (not you chakun)

Wow, I didn't thought you'd be like that Spiderman, but you're definitely a pos to my eyes now

Yo what is this
It seems dumb asf
The dude got what he deserved rapists are fucking horrible people
-folk_the_lore

either this was the most amazing troll job in the history of troll jobs, or spiderman_sir is literally a horrible, horrible human being.

The biggest problem about not punishing him is that it opens a can of worms for people who kill like that in the future. They'll point out this situation and askw hy they got punished and he didn't. That being said, I definately couldn't see punishing this father.

he went through the trial and was found not guilty... if someone else felt injustice for doing the same they can appeal... that's why appeals exist. It takes like 3 to get to the Texas Supreme Court, at which point if they did the same as this guy they could just use this as precedence and it would work since Supreme Courts don't actually judge the crime, just legal precedent. As in... if someone did the same thing the Texas Supreme Court would have two choices: change the law and let the guy go or uphold the law and let the guy go.

"I grow tired of this thread" is just a less guilty sounding way of saying "I'm a coward who can't stand having his opinion challenged so I'll run away from the challengers while making it look I'm above it all." Buddy, I wasn't born yesterday.

I bet @sir_spiderman unfollowed the chat because of the reasonable hate he is getting for being one of the worst people ive ever met
Im sad that there are people who think like this in the world we live in

I was pretty shocked by that comment about his sister and how we should just "prepare girls for being raped because preparing boys for not raping *obviously* doesn't work" and how he basically blamed me for being raped. He seemed relatively normal before that, he was playing devil's advocate and I was kind of in the middle on the issue, but then he went full fucked up. Like seriously, yes rapists are messed up in the head but there's more to sexual assault like groping, touching, interpreting a simple "no" as being coy etc. which is actually not all that uncommon. So maybe if we actually tried teaching boys not to touch people without their permission and ditched this whole "women like to be chased" mindset, the number of sexual assaults would go down. And taking away a kid's childhood won't help them, it'll just mess them up. But I guess that's how you know you met a real sociopath.

I knew he was fucked up when he didnt see getting raped as a big deal. The amount of stupid in him is tho most ive ever seen in a person

Personally as someone who was raped by a woman as a kid, this motherfucker can go fuck himslef

Lmao "such common tactics surely won't work on me" "I am not your average internet user" lmfao this guy took debate in highschool and now he thinks he's a genius. I would post it on r/iamverysmart if I could be bothered to.

You know you are a fucking cunt when a guest calls you out

@sir_spiderman so you didn't unfollow the chat you were just waiting to get your foot in the door again, now that's how to be a sore loser isn't it

My love disagrees with you, dear guest.