Suck my as$&ole if you think this is a medieval punishment. It isn’t a punishment- it’s self defense. DO NOT PUT YOUR PENIS WHERE IT IS NOT WELCOMED. It’s that simple. If you care about your penis- you wouldn’t jam it into a Tiger against its wishes. You wouldn’t use it to try and feel the bottom of a hole that could have a snake in it. Keep your penis where you can be assured that it is safe and you won’t have problems.
Gosh damnit. F$cking cereal mascots is how we got the Corona virus. A tryst with Count Chocula and now the cashier bags my items with a pool cleaning pole. Thanks guys.
As a side note - as far as I know this never made it to market and likely wouldn't be super effective anyway. Rapists would likely begin sticking foreign objects into the women first to force the condom out (or perhaps resort simply to anal) and I can't begin to describe the horror behind how that would go.
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Not to mention there's a lot of rape in countries that occur in menstrual huts where women likely wouldn't be able to keep these in anyway.
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Combine with sanitation issues and lack of access to proper health care and as much as I wish this would work, I feel like it will lead to as many problems as it solves
People saying that this punishment is a little extreme may need to think about how extreme rape is. I'll give you a hint, pretty fucking extreme. Punishment fits the crime
I find it interesting that we tend to attribute more heinousness to rape then one would think if you look at it from a purely clinical perspective. Setting aside the ancillary assault that may or may not occur I would think rape would be preferable as the victim to any number of crimes that don’t get the same level of hatred directed at the perpetrators. Personally I’d rather be raped than say murdered, disfigured, crippled, have something amputated, have my life savings taken away, etc. I’m not trying to downplay rape as a crime but it seems to get a much stronger reaction than others with longer lasting physical effects.
So this prompted me to do a tad of research. I found two really interesting statistics.
1. Native Americans are twice as likely to be victims of rape than any other demographic in the US.
2. 60% of sexual violence in prison is perpetrated by staff or guards.
Now, I’m wondering if there is some bias to the second one. Prisoners may be more apt to report staff over other inmates due to fear of reprisal.
Yes. Native Americans tend to be at higher risk of rape- and it is under reported and prosecuted. A lot has to do with factors like the jurisdictions between reservations and surrounding settlements- but racial bias and the like plays a role as well- as while rape can happen within a native community- almost 90% of reported rape cases by native women involve non native attackers. Due to location, complications in the legal systems, and often the cultures and attitudes of local non indigenous communities, as well as the common lack of resources and education to natives- it is a crime that you are...
... less likely to get caught for, less likely to get investigated for, and less likely to face serious consequences for on average. Tribal courts can’t prosecute non native criminals, and cannot pass sentences greater than 3 years for even a serious crime. As to the second statistic- there may be bias however- I’d say greater than 60% of prison rapes would involve staff in some way.
The staff are in positions of power, almost complete power over the inmates- virtually no external oversight, often only one person has oversight of themselves- and most people really don’t care about criminals- especially hardened ones. If a child molester gets prison raped people are more likely to cheer than protest. So some percentage of prisoner on prisoner rapes would happen in the spaces and tokes where they know staff cannot see- but most that aren’t perpetrated by a guard will at least need a guard to turn a blind eye or enable the situation. I imagine that with protection and power a good number of forced prison sexual encounters between prisoners are likely closer to “sexual assault/abuse of power/coercion” than violent rape.
Splitting hairs but more akin to sex under duress- where protection, privilege, or status can be had. That’s just my guess though- as you say- the statistics on most any crime can’t be perfect.
Sometimes I am proud of my country. But unfortunately the circumstances for this pride to exist are not at all great. I wish it were safer.. it's such a beautiful country and so full of culture
This sounds good in a lot of ways, but it seems to me to be an effective way to go from being a rape victim to being a murder victim. Some guy forces himself into a woman only to have something like this clamp down on him, and he will be so angry, there is no telling what he would do. Combine pain, fear, and an attacker that already has no impulse control, and the result is going to be a dead body.
As to your thoughts on the weight we give rape- it is relative. I’ve known women who could abort a fetus like having a pimple popped- and others who cry 20+ years later at the thought. For many- it isn’t the loss of property that makes theft a serious crime- there is a feeling of violation and vulnerability that many people who have ever had their car or gone etc broken into- report feeling. Even in cases where nothing was taken or that which was is replaceable without hardship.
Being strictly pragmatic- murder would much the same be said to be primarily an emotional crime. The weight of murder in a practical sense lies only on the detriment to society or dependents caused by the loss of that life. Someone dies- they are gone. We don’t hold a funeral or pass much thought when an ant dies no matter how valuable to the colony it was- it likely can be replaced and in a very short time there won’t be any major impact at its loss.
Only the more sentimental mourn the loss of a car or a pair of shoes- and we bounce back fine from those. We may be sad when our pet dies- but if you get another pet the same day- your overall life and routine remain largely the same. The world keeps spinning for you except that you have an emotional void- and most people recover to at least a functionally level from such things eventually even if they always harbor some level of negative emotion on the matter.
But it isn’t a modern invention. Precedent in law for the treatment of rape as a serious crime goes back to antiquity. Common punishments for rape (of a recognized citizen with rights and standing) were commonly death, removal of the eyes- or even allowing the victim/family to devise and impose whatever punishment they felt suitable. Rape was written about at length and used in myths and lore as symbolism- and even Napoleon said that where there is rape there are monsters- and ruled any soldier who took sex as a spoil of war he put to death.
So much the same as some people are more effected by death, having an abortion, being stollen from, being shot at- not EVERY person who experiences rape or assault will be deeply traumatized or arguably, profoundly effected. Some may view it more pragmatically (although in some cases this is a defense mechanism or form of denial...) but by and large- situations like imprisonment, confinement, restraint, rape, etc. where a humans autonomy, choices, control over self, their “power” is taken from them through overwhelming force- there is usually trauma.
This is largely why rape is- and by and large has through most of history- been treated seriously. Because as a crime- it has the power psychologically, socially, and more to destroy lives, to cause lasting long term repercussions of varying and often severe magnitude, and it is a crime for which there is no metric by which reparations can be made to the victim in any suitable manner reliably.
Even in societies where the life of a free person could be exchanged on a basis of a lifetime wages or such- these reparations could only be made by those of wealth. So a “common” rapist could never make “good” even IF we were to say that there was a price tag to lifelong suffering and other issues- let alone social, family, relationship- and other issues. About the closest that comes is laws that VERY undesirably force a child of rape to be raised by mother and father as not to disadvantage the child.
For obvious reasons the forced marriage of a rape victim to the rapist might serve the practical interests of a child... MIGHT- arguably- but it still doesn’t provide any form of restitution or remuneration to a victim. Moreover- the status of marriage makes such restitution unlikely as the victim could get marital benefits from a spouse of their choosing if not for the crime- and once married it becomes fairly pointless to have the rapist pay the victim any restitution- since the purpose of said marriage is the benefit of the child- and further punitive action against the rapist/husband would not simple hurt the “wife”/victim as she is not a family unit with the rapist.
Which itself of course can be incentive to rape- as if one can manage to impregnate the victim- one can in essence “have” any partner one wants, even if they would otherwise have been “out of their league” simply through raping them. The only consequence really- being a social stigma they’d have to endure as a criminal. But since many early (and sadly many modern) societies didn’t recognize marital rape as a crime- once a victim and rapist were married- they now had a “free pass” and so beyond forcing a victim to live with the attacker who may have traumatized them- you were likely subjecting them to further assault. Hardly a “consequence” that in any part does anything to “make whole” or “restore” the victim.
And that is, in a it shell- the practical outline of why rape os such a serious crime. The TL:DR would be that rape generally causes extreme emotional and psychological trauma and can cause a person great damage in their life- and that due to masters of practicality concerning rape- it’s treatment as anything but a serious crime is ineffective and incompatible with most any justice system that follows common logic and goals of law.
Is it possible? Sure. But... ???? So here’s this guy... you’ve gotten to a place where he is going to have sex with you. You’re going to have to let him penetrate you... why wouldn’t you- and why would anyone be more worried about this being used like that than- just... cut it off? Bite it off? Put razors inside a flesh light and say you want to get kinky? Many of these don’t even require actual physical contact.
And I mean... there are few times a man is so vulnerable- as sex. Slip him something- he’s knocked out- do whatever you want. Get a female condom- put LSD in it. Put some smokes in water then boil off the water and put the concentrated nicotine in it or any number of other skin permeable drugs and get him that way...? Get him to let you do rope play etc and then... do whatever you want?
I could keep going with a list of all the ways that you can cause pain or death through sex- but before, during, and right after sex most men are very vulnerable- and there are many existing ways to hurt a guy that don’t involve such lengths. But- I mean... hell- the odds are just as good that some guy would ask his partner to put one in because he’s into extreme gore fetish type stuff. But realistically- while any of the above COULD happen- I think it’s right next to “getting killed by falling space station part” on the list of things that are worth any time to think about.
because those ways make her look like an attacker. This makes the man look like an attacker no matter what. Why just hurt someone when you can hurt them and ruin their life at the same time?
Spiking a female condom doesn’t make you look like an attacker. It’s the same thing as this except less gruesome. Likewise- cutting off or biting off the pee pee probably aren’t going to make you look suspect- especially with a sob story. Since between “he forced it on me and I did this in defense” and “this woman is insane and set up a consensual encounter so she could impale a penis..” the former is the more statistically common one and thus the default assumption one must prove against.
But again- there are easier ways to ruin a man’s life- and men have gone to jail who’s accusers later admitted the man did no crime- so you don’t really need to use one of those if you want to ruin a man’s reputation either.
(PS no I am not being positive about rape I'm making a dumb joke about tiger fucking)
*follows my nose to the fruity bird that shows*
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Not to mention there's a lot of rape in countries that occur in menstrual huts where women likely wouldn't be able to keep these in anyway.
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Combine with sanitation issues and lack of access to proper health care and as much as I wish this would work, I feel like it will lead to as many problems as it solves
1. Native Americans are twice as likely to be victims of rape than any other demographic in the US.
2. 60% of sexual violence in prison is perpetrated by staff or guards.
Now, I’m wondering if there is some bias to the second one. Prisoners may be more apt to report staff over other inmates due to fear of reprisal.