I agree with all of this. You make an excellent point. However, we really shouldn't open up that can of worms again. Last time this happened, at least two users got banned.
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@black_dahlia I have a little faith in our fellow funsubstancers to have a meaningful conversation without turning it into an all out war. Hopefully I'm not wrong.
Well as the news clearly states that they only ever got the females opinion on the story it is highly likely that half of that story is bullshit as she was literally mad because they didn't automatically believe her.
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“After I was raped, I went to the hospital and gave an account of what I could remember to the sexual assault nurse,” Robinson said. “Then I was again quizzed by DPS investigators, who consistently asked demeaning and accusatory questions. What was I wearing? What was I drinking? How much did I drink? What did I eat that day? Did I lead him on? Have I hooked up with him before? Do I often have one-night stands? Did I even say no? What is my sexual history? How many men have I slept with? I was treated like a suspect.”
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You ARE a suspect. You came in and reported that a serious crime was committed and that you were the target of said crime.
These are also required questions as it is not unlikely that you are just regretting that you had sex with him and want an easy way out of it that incriminates him and gets you off easy. You were refusing to answer what you were wearing? That is pretty fucking suspicious in my opinion.
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The way they handled her case was wrong and sexist, end of story, it is never the victims fault in rape. It doesn't matter what she was wearing, or if she was drinking, rape is rape.
And you wonder why rape victims don't come forward and admit they've been assaulted.
Sorry, it DOESN'T matter what she was wearing or if she was drinking? The whole point of those questions is to find out if she was leading him on and put herself in a vulnerable position intentionally. If she is being flirty and is dressed in a vulgar manner she could easily have implied consent.
I do understand that under the laws in most states (as far as I'm aware, I'm from Canada) do say that sex is never consensual if the parties involved are inhibited in their decisions (I.e. Drunk), but again it's a sexist law as in that case a sentence is still more likely to be handed to the male than the female, even if she was the "aggressor"
The case was botched, but both ways in my opinion
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banging a drunk person is rape because they cannot consciously consent to sex. And even if she was being flirtatious, if she said no, the guy should have stopped immediately. you're defending a rapist who on multiple other accounts have went after girls without their consent, and is being babied by the police.
dont blame the victim. our system is fucked up and almost always favours the rapists side, as they are sexist.
she was drinking, she had said she was drunk, she was raped, and did everything she was supposed to do and provided evidence to her attack. "What did I eat that day? Did I lead him on? Have I hooked up with him before? Do I often have one-night stands? Did I even say no? What is my sexual history? How many men have I slept with?" these questions didnt need to be asked.
My point was she could have lied about being raped. I'm not "blaming the victim " I'm saying that everyone involved is a suspect, just like any OTHER crime. And IF both people were drunk, why is it him who raped her, not the other way around? (This is a legitimate question here, if anyone has an answer)
Also, why is being drunk an excuse for not being able to give consent, but not an excuse for knowing how drunk the partner is implying she can't give consent? That is, maybe the man is as drunk as the woman, and if she can't give consent due to temporary stupidity, reasonably you should say that his temporary stupidity keeps him from recognizing or understanding that.
By suicide victims do you mean successful suicides? If the rate is talking about successful suicides, men will choose methods that are quick such as a gunshot to the head while women will more likely choose swallowing pills. This results in men being 4 times more likely to 'succeed' than women. Shooting yourself is more likely to kill you while pills you can easily a) vomit them up b) not take enough c) be found in enough time to get help.
Source: I'm studying for an abnormal psych exam so I have to know this stuff. "Essentials of Abnormal Psychology" DSM-5 Updated Edition.
Good luck on your exam sm19. I got a C in my course but I admit I didn't take studying the exams seriously . Also remember women attempt suicide more than men but more men actually follow through with it. Statistically speaking of course.
@marty6978 I just finished it about an hour ago and I think I did fine! Some questions I have no memory of her even mentioning so hopefully I guessed right. It's 50% of my grade so I need to pass it. Now time to study medicinal and hallucinogenic plants and that's 65% of my grade... heh...
Yes, but all of these statistics are encouraged by male-domiated sexism. It's at the very heart of sexism to encourage men to be seen as more violent and bad at child care and things like that. These bad statistics are caused by men who believe sexist things, not by women discriminating against men.
http://www.cbeinternational.org/blogs/3-ways-patriarchy-harms-men
I agree that it is oftentimes men who perpetuate this "you must be strong and manly" idea, but the Patriarchy, really?
Not to mention feminists certainly don't help with the "masculinity so fragile" and other bullshit.
Well there is more custody of children for women because women didn't used to work and they looked after their children which is why there are more industrial accidents because only men worked.
Congratulations :)
My boyfriend didn't have as much luck... His ex has 100% custody for the kids, even though she had a suicide attempt and drug usage in her past.... And while trying to get custody or even only the right to see his kids once every fortnight, he was always treated like the bad guy who left a single mom to herself. And damn she's a psycho bitch.
My ex was crazy too, she also made some very stupid mistakes which is one of the reasons she lost custody, not to mention she was abusing me, her child from another man and my child, add in neglect, assault with a weapon on me and reckless endangerment. The fact that she didn't get more than one night in jail still perplexes and infuriates me and she still gets visits although supervised and in a public place but still.
Woah. It's really quite shocking to see how women are favoured by the law. I mean I'm female my self, but especially in court, men and women SHOULD be treated equally imo.
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i honestly find the whole "women are more maternal" hoax dumb. i think they should get equal rights in court. Just because its the mom that birthed the kid doesn't mean she's a better parent.
Exactly, I happen to know several single dad's and we are all amazing parents the one father has four kids although his case wasn't a custody issue his wife committed suicide by jumping off a local overpass, but still I have never seen a more amazing parent than that individual. The worse thing though is even though I wasn't the abuser I still have to deal with random child welfare checks five years later.
Though, the higher amount of war deaths can be attributed to the fact that women were only somewhat recently allowed in combat, and even now, it's not really something common or widely accepted, with restrictions on the positions they can hold.
I understand the aim of the post, but I disagree with the content.
"Combat deaths since 1st Gulf war" : men are not forced to join the army as soldiers, that's their own choice. The same for industrial deaths and accidents : if you pick up a dangerous job, you increase the risks of having accidents, it's not related to being a male or female...It's like the "homicide" part : most homicides happen between gangs, which usually are "manly things" (because... boys will be boy I guess?), which also explains why -based on the average of any possible crimes- men have longer sentences than women (please compare what is comparable : don't compare killers with rapists, thieves or people who drive too fast on the highway...).
In comparison, a "deaths caused by pregnancy" chart would be 100% female, but that would be pretty stupid to point this out and consider it sexist. :p
(just to complete my answer)
The suicide and custody charts are much more relevant because they reflect US society (depression that leads to sucide because of high-pressure put on men, fossilized justice system that still thinks that's a women job to care about children...).
Actually, as sm19 mentioned above, women are more likely than men to attempt suicide. It's just that men tend to favour methods of suicide that are less likely to be survivable.
But also look at the fact that the ONE benefit of being a female on this list, is the one thing that all the stats about men make them less qualified for (like they're all deaths..how could they be there for their children? ) Just something to think about...
Has anybody pointed out that these aren't really male privileges and that any real feminist is going to find this distasteful in the sense of, oh, I dont know, /this is what makes feminism about more than just women who struggle??/
Smh... as illustrated, boys can have it worse than girls...
>I'm not wrong
yup you're wrong
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime
I do agree with some of this, but I did want to point these two out. The reason the men's average prison sentence is larger is because they commit worse crimes some of the time, and more frequently.
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“After I was raped, I went to the hospital and gave an account of what I could remember to the sexual assault nurse,” Robinson said. “Then I was again quizzed by DPS investigators, who consistently asked demeaning and accusatory questions. What was I wearing? What was I drinking? How much did I drink? What did I eat that day? Did I lead him on? Have I hooked up with him before? Do I often have one-night stands? Did I even say no? What is my sexual history? How many men have I slept with? I was treated like a suspect.”
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You ARE a suspect. You came in and reported that a serious crime was committed and that you were the target of said crime.
And you wonder why rape victims don't come forward and admit they've been assaulted.
I do understand that under the laws in most states (as far as I'm aware, I'm from Canada) do say that sex is never consensual if the parties involved are inhibited in their decisions (I.e. Drunk), but again it's a sexist law as in that case a sentence is still more likely to be handed to the male than the female, even if she was the "aggressor"
The case was botched, but both ways in my opinion
dont blame the victim. our system is fucked up and almost always favours the rapists side, as they are sexist.
she was drinking, she had said she was drunk, she was raped, and did everything she was supposed to do and provided evidence to her attack. "What did I eat that day? Did I lead him on? Have I hooked up with him before? Do I often have one-night stands? Did I even say no? What is my sexual history? How many men have I slept with?" these questions didnt need to be asked.
Source: I'm studying for an abnormal psych exam so I have to know this stuff. "Essentials of Abnormal Psychology" DSM-5 Updated Edition.
not quite
it's still a better ratio compared to the US, though
http://www.cbeinternational.org/blogs/3-ways-patriarchy-harms-men
Not to mention feminists certainly don't help with the "masculinity so fragile" and other bullshit.
My boyfriend didn't have as much luck... His ex has 100% custody for the kids, even though she had a suicide attempt and drug usage in her past.... And while trying to get custody or even only the right to see his kids once every fortnight, he was always treated like the bad guy who left a single mom to herself. And damn she's a psycho bitch.
"Combat deaths since 1st Gulf war" : men are not forced to join the army as soldiers, that's their own choice. The same for industrial deaths and accidents : if you pick up a dangerous job, you increase the risks of having accidents, it's not related to being a male or female...It's like the "homicide" part : most homicides happen between gangs, which usually are "manly things" (because... boys will be boy I guess?), which also explains why -based on the average of any possible crimes- men have longer sentences than women (please compare what is comparable : don't compare killers with rapists, thieves or people who drive too fast on the highway...).
In comparison, a "deaths caused by pregnancy" chart would be 100% female, but that would be pretty stupid to point this out and consider it sexist. :p
The suicide and custody charts are much more relevant because they reflect US society (depression that leads to sucide because of high-pressure put on men, fossilized justice system that still thinks that's a women job to care about children...).
Hey, I didn't get triggered, that's actually surprising.
Smh... as illustrated, boys can have it worse than girls...